Posted on 08/02/2021 12:23:40 PM PDT by JonPreston
I was a fan of HCQ and sent people to https://c19hcq.com/ that showed all of the studies. But the studies show HCQ is no miracle drug and doesn’t do much if you get a serious case of COVID or are sick enough to get in the hospital. None of the studies suggest HCQ is a cure or even a decent prophylaxes.
However, there is a miracle COVID drug and it was developed under Trump by 3 pharmaceutical companies. It is freely available, highly effective, and very safe.
If I need a booster, big deal. If I get a case of covid today, I’m likely going to get a very mild case and won’t likely spread it to fools who aren’t vaccinataed.
But covid isn’t going away any time soon. The unvaccinated will continue to get it and die. Those numbers will keep adding up and they’ll keep looking like luddite buffoons.
Wrong HCQ or Ivermectin can work and if taken with asthma inhaler Symbicort will help.
It takes on average 5 to 10 years to develop a vaccine. What you are taking is not a vaccine but unapproved Gene Therapy, even Pfizer and Moderna admit this. Good to know there are people like you willing to be live Guinea pig and take the risk, short and long term.
Me I will stay in the control group I want to live.
By the way you will spread it if you get it, that is a fact.
Neither HCQ or Ivermectin work as well as the 3 vaccines that exist in the US. Point to a study that says otherwise. Or point to your most favorable study that shows using an inhaler makes HCQ more effective than a few percent.
Feel free to stay on the side that is dying 25:1, that is your right. Not sure you ever addressed that little nugget of truth. Pushing your delusion on others will lead to more deaths. Vaccinated people have a much lower viral load and spread it much less. Read up on the data or send me a study that shows otherwise. I’m afraid you’re sorely misinformed.
The number of fatalities in an epidemic (or pandemic) is essentially a factor of the population size, the pathogen’s raw fatality rate, its D.O.C.*, time**, the health care system’s quality*** & capacity***, and other variables — NOT just the pathogen’s CFR.
*Difficulty of containment, which is composed of infectiousness, population ignorance and / or hardheadedness, population density, cost(s) of mitigation, etc.
**Usually taken to be a specific period of a year up to a few years, NOT the entire course of a pathogen and all variants: H1N1 flu has killed many more more than just it’s Spanish Flu variant.
***As with many other factors, of course quality of care may vary with time, intensity of the epidemic / pandemic, and so on.
All this boils down into the factors of an effective CFR and an effective infectiousness. MERS’ CFR seems dangerous to some, but, it did not turn out to be and is not a big numbers’ killer, because it was/is relatively easily contained. (Ironically, that last is partially because of MERS’ high CFR.) COVID-19 has only a modest CFR, but racks up significant serious illnesses and fatalities in the US due to high effective infectiousness. Contrast that last to South Korea: SK has had very low effective infectiousness because it had / has very effective containment, based on astonishing (to most Westerners) surveillance and tracking of it’s population. That surveillance and tracking is accepted by most of SK’s population, but reads like Orwell on steroids. It’s health for freedom surrendered. :-(
Oh, this thread is still going?
Your info makes sense. My point is not that CFR is all-important, but it IS significant in that it means almost certain death if you do get it. I know the IFR should be lesser but either way, COVID is not very likely to kill us. Which again fits the pattern: more deadly, less contagious; more contagious, less deadly.
Incidentally, I figure by next spring, we in the US will have to have 1.5 million minimum die here to equal the minimum estimate of Spanish Flu pandemic.
I know, it’s a century later and we do better things, etc. But even with “just the flu”, I’m not seeing this compare. This hysteria is far overblown. Just a way for tyrants to take over the willing sheep.
Unless one's information / study is very carefully controlled for such factors, it's quite difficult if not impossible to ascertain what the benefit of Ivermectin to a Covid case really may be.
Vaccinated people have a much lower viral load and spread it much less.
To be fair, please provide links to a couple major Western studies showing this.
(Emphasis mine, noting that, among other factors needing consideration, a mildly ill person might well be out in the community far more than someone even moderately ill.)
Here is a study on viral loads of vaccinated vs unvaccinated.
The delta variant may be different— but the main metric is who goes to the hospital and who dies from covid. The data is clear that being vaccinated is the best way to avoid needlessly dying.
No log jams at funeral homes. No body bags seen anywhere in my neighborhood. The first month CNN was reporting deaths and then when they didn’t have enough deaths they started reporting people who supposedly had the virus. My sister got covid and was in treatment for cancer after having open heart surgery and she was working in her garden 48 hours later. She’s 60 years old and overweight.
Death is inevitable. Live your life. Turn off the TV.
I’m horrifically busy, but sometimes leave threads up to get back to — which occasionally is days later...
Anyway, I mostly go by my own monitoring of the community around me, and by the numerous medical / health care pro’s my wife and I know. Particularly with the latter, they do not seem or have seemed hysterical about Covid at all. Concerned, however, even now.
If the vast majority of health care pro’s have been somehow coopted by the CCP (etc.), then we are all in a heck of a lot more trouble than from Covid OR our incompetent gov’t (esp. the CDC) response to Covid.
As far as Spanish Flu goes, IMO if it popped up in 2020 (and Covid had not) the fatalities from it in the US would not have exceeded 150k in 18 months.
My hunch is that the vaccines overall reduce spread somewhat, but, I've still not seen proof from a study with adequate controls.
No disagreement on protection to oneself, with careful mitigation (IF one can find quality N95 masks) a close second. The latter is difficult in many ways, tho'.
Well I’m comparing how much havoc was wrought by that, vs now. Pandemic vs pandemic.
If our mitigation wasn’t any better than 1919, the minimum deaths would be 1.5 million.
Get shingles when in your sixties.
No fun; but I survived.
Yeah, now he’s a doctor and is certain he would feel worse if he had not been jabbed- that’s science for you
I believe what he is trying to say, which Fauci and CDC are not good at explaining, is that you can still get COVID after the vaccine but your symptoms will be mild compared to non-vaccinated COVID people.
Plus, you can still be a carrier, thus, the continued masks.
This is where Fauci failed the American public; the vaccine is not a cure-all.
Having said this, I still do not think the majority of healthy Americans need to be forced into continued masks mandates. Instead, make those who are fearful or have compromised systems wear the masks or stay home.
Additionally, there are people in the populace who have a natural immunity against COVID (antibodies) and should not be forced to get the vaccine.
Our daughter-in-law had COVID and after recovering, had to get the shot(s) because the company wanted it done before she could travel. So when she got it, it made her have another bout of sickness because her body reacted as it should to the invader.
My two cents.
Prior to COVID, mandating a vaccine to someone with natural immunity would be considered medical malpractice. Americans for years have pointed to the working conditions in China and reacted in anger. Today, in corporate America, their irrational terms of employment has become a health hazard.
the vaxxed super spreaders need to be identified and put in lockdown
Hundreds of millions of people worldwide still believe there was a pandemic, in spite of all the glaring evidence it was an extortion racket
on the brighter side: at least COVID cured “colds and flu” and eliminated “death by natural causes”
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