Posted on 07/30/2021 8:45:46 AM PDT by Red Badger
As states battle a surge of the COVID-19 delta variant, an internal document from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been leaked that shows that the variant spreads from fully vaccinated people at the same rate as unvaccinated people.
CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky confirmed the authenticity of the document, which is a slide presentation, CNN and The Washington Post reported.
The document states that officials must “acknowledge the war has changed,” the Post reported.
“I think people need to understand that we’re not crying wolf here. This is serious,” Walensky told CNN.
“It’s one of the most transmissible viruses we know about. Measles, chickenpox, this — they’re all up there,” Walensky added.
The New York Times reported that the document states the delta variant is more transmissible than MERS, SARS, Ebola, a common cold, seasonal flu and smallpox and is as contagious as chickenpox.
The leak comes as the CDC reversed course earlier this week and now, once again, recommends that fully vaccinated people wear masks indoors in areas of the country where transmission is high, CNN reported.
The document shows that the agency knows it must get a new message out to the public that pushes vaccination as the best defense.
Officials say the delta variant is acting like a different novel virus that is moving faster than Ebola or even a cold, The Washington Post reported.
The document uses unpublished data and outside studies that officials say show that even vaccinated people are able to spread the virus as if they were unvaccinated and that they have similar delta variant viral loads as those who are not vaccinated, the Post reported.
I’m of the mindset that we’re all going to get COVID (vaxxed and unvaxxed) at some point so the very best thing one can do is get yourself in the best physical shape you can, take C, D, zinc and get a plan together to ride out the illness at home with loved ones.
Viruses gonna virus.
Does anyone wear a mask to avoid chickenpox or measles?
No? Didn’t think so.
And yet, decades of chicken pox never included even 1 mask mandate.
It would be useless to do so..................
So are the Trump era border enforcement measures being reimposed? Is the border wall being completed on an emergency basis? If not this is just more FedGov fear porn with zero credibility.
Unfortunately, I have a slightly older edition of HPIM, so I haven't been able to check it, but if it is true, and the fact that he wrote about it as late as 2005 in conjunction with the SARS-CoV is a strong indication that it is,then Dr Fauci has a lot of questions to answer....preferably in front of a judge!
Does this mean we’ll have covid parties now?
I was 5 yo when my parents took me to my uncles home with a houseful of cousins with chickenpox so I would catch it.
Vitamin D, C and Zinc. Lots of water. Get sleep. Am I missing any other prep work?
*** It would be useless to do so..................***
The same goes for CoVid. These masks have been very little help, only if someone coughed or sneezed, but not with normal breathing. I prefer to carry a disposable tissue with me for these events, not wear a mask over my nose and mouth.
Where masks are useful is for virtue signaling and for control of the masses. They are very effective in that regard.
Big. Hairy. Butted. Deal.
People get it, people get over it, people move on with their lives.
Consider taking quercetin if you don’t have access to hydroxychloroquine. It is the delivery system for the zinc. I also take other vitamins and supplements, but those are probably not the primary things.
Fake leak...
Pathetic attempt.
Well put, I see you’ve been paying attention.
^5
Leaked. As if they would try to keep it secret.
I had Chicken pox when I was 5. I haven’t taken the vaccine. Why? Because I already had it.
I had Covid last year. I haven’t taken the vaccine. Why? Because I already had it.
My late older brother had a saying: “He could (screw) up a marble”.
Some things are hugely complex and in no way straightforward. For these things we make cautious, methodical men. Some things are so easy even a caveman can do it. The trick is in the proper allocation of resources - putting the right man on the job.
Fauxi is the epitome of the wrong guy. He’s a bullshitter, not a scientist or medical administrator. He’s consumed by politics and in love with the sound of his own voice (which coincidentally is fingernails on a chalkboard to me).
In his haste to sell COVID as a marble that even the proverbial caveman couldn’t mess up (Well, except for Orangeman Bad perhaps), he forgot the cardinal rule about talking the talk and (more importantly) walking the walk.
He failed, credibility for NAID (or whatever it’s called), and the CDC are in the toilet, and people are needlessly suffering.
At the end of the day he managed to screw up that marble and I hope he pays the price for failure.
So the change here comes from one key change in this variant, which is that it's vastly improved its ability to infect the types of cells in the respiratory tract. The result is two key factors in transmission: 1) people infected with Delta carry a massively higher viral load in their lungs, throat, mouth, and nose and 2) a smaller exposure is now more likely to trigger a new infection.
From a practical perspective, this means that being close to someone who's infected is now much more likely to result in you becoming infected and being further away in an enclosed space is now a much greater risk as well. Think of it as a difference in someone who hasn't showered for a day or two (previous COVID-19 variants) versus someone who never bathes at all and just finished a 5 mile bike ride in 95 degree heat. If you can smell him, you're at a pretty high risk of becoming infected.
The risk goes up even for people who are vaccinated or who had COVID-19 previously. This is a combination of higher exposure level (more virions getting dumped into you by the infected person) and antibody resistance due to structural changes in the proteins of the Delta variant. I believe the last numbers I saw indicated that reinfections with Delta have gone to about 1 in every 6,000 or so? Which would mean we would expect to see about 167 out of every 1 million previously infected with COVID-19 come down with Delta as well. However, usually that would come with less severe symptoms than the previous infection.
"Someone sneezes on you and you are infected?"
Sneezes are particularly bad because there's a ton of pressure against the normal droplets in your mouth. This causes tens of thousands of microscopic drops (aerosols) to be ejected at high speed. From a practical standpoint, if you're in a typically small sized Subway sandwich shop getting a $5 footlong and somebody in the restaurant has Delta and sneezes, everyone in there is getting a dose of the virus and is at risk of contracting it. Sneezing is the worst, but coughing, singing, and speaking loudly are also going to eject a lot of material. Breathing is less of an issue. For any of these, the concern indoors is an infected person (or persons) saturating the space with virus particles.
Based on the data so far about just how contagious Delta is, I would say that if you're unvaccinated and in the same room as someone who has the Delta variant for more than a few minutes, you have a pretty decent chance of becoming infected. I've seen extremely limited data about anything happening outdoors; not really enough to convince me that Delta is that much of a concern outside at this point. Certainly it was clear that all previous variants were no concern outdoors at all. If you're vaccinated and don't have regular contact with people for whom COVID-19 should be a major problem (folks over 65 or people with significant health issues), I honestly wouldn't worry about it. Same if you've had COVID-19 before. If you're unvaccinated and don't want to catch COVID-19, I would be very cautious about what situations I put myself in. Outdoors is your safest bet for any social interactions.
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