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Do People Want Their Pre-Pandemic Freedom Back?
Reason.com ^ | 7/12/2021 | JD Tuccille

Posted on 07/13/2021 6:48:53 AM PDT by mykroar

When it comes to insanely restrictive (and, arguably, ineffective) pandemic measures, critics tend to point the finger at public officials and their appetite for power. But government functionaries may be no more of a danger to post-COVID freedom than some of our neighbors. Recent polling suggests that many among us not only approve of the lockdowns of the past year and foresee public health restrictions continuing into the indefinite future, but they also want the world to remain constrained by efforts to prevent illness—or maybe just constrained, and never mind the reason.

"Public willingness to sacrifice for the common good in a time of crisis has surprised ministers," The Economist noted last week. "But the pandemic has also revealed John Bull's authoritarian streak." The magazine went on to report on the results of polling conducted along with Ipsos MORI that found a surprising degree of support among Britons not just for the lockdowns of the past year, but for maintaining restrictions sold as efforts to head off the spread of COVID-19.

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"Polling by Ipsos MORI for The Economist suggests two-thirds think masks, social distancing and travel restrictions should continue for another month. A majority would support them until covid-19 is controlled worldwide, which may take years. Even more strikingly, a sizeable minority would like personal freedoms to be restricted permanently. A quarter say nightclubs and casinos should never reopen; almost two in ten would support an indefinite ban on leaving home after 10pm 'without good reason'," the report added.
1 posted on 07/13/2021 6:48:53 AM PDT by mykroar
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To: mykroar

In the blue part of Ohio, a significant number do not want their freedom back. They also want the checks to keep coming.


2 posted on 07/13/2021 6:50:31 AM PDT by brownsfan (Term limits! Without term limits, we are doomed.)
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To: brownsfan

Typical rat 🐀 bastards.


3 posted on 07/13/2021 6:57:54 AM PDT by Mark17 (Air Force ATC, Retired. Father of US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained combat pilot )
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To: mykroar

“A quarter say nightclubs and casinos should never reopen;”

The criminals will love opening speakeasies, gambling halls, and whorehouses. I’d do an all in one.


4 posted on 07/13/2021 7:03:26 AM PDT by dynachrome ("I will not be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: brownsfan

In central MD, yeah, lots of sheep. Go to the grocery and most, some 90%, are still wearing training hijabs. And you KNOW these paranoid fools got shots.

Our neighbors must be from that part of OH. They live behind us and have not allowed their boys to play with our son all year. And haven’t been allowed out of the property, including only virtual school. We knew they were paranoid types but this is ridiculous. I think the boys’ friendship has been broken.


5 posted on 07/13/2021 7:08:07 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs. I )
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To: brownsfan

You are right.

Most are addicted to government cheese:

***We are all essentially paying each others welfare today.***

Even the rich are on welfare in America: Tesla subsidies, government bailouts, subsidies to mega corporate agriculture.

The so called working middle class are on welfare: subsidized student loans, subsidized mortgages, social security, medicare...

Almost everyone in America gets a government hand out today, and no one wants to bite the hand which feeds them, right?

So tomorrow when you look at your neighbor, say thank you, because he’s paying your welfare, and your paying his welfare, in some shape or form: school lunches, free cell phones, college loan forgiveness, the list is endless today.


6 posted on 07/13/2021 7:11:38 AM PDT by Red6
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To: the OlLine Rebel

“We knew they were paranoid types but this is ridiculous.”

You just can’t tell. My best friend accepts that I’m a cantankerous right winger, but when the subject of vaccines and covid comes up, he’s paranoid. He thinks we should all get the shot to “protect the little ones”. It’s not worth damaging a friendship to correct him, he’s been convinced by the “science”.


7 posted on 07/13/2021 7:14:43 AM PDT by brownsfan (Term limits! Without term limits, we are doomed.)
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To: Red6

“So tomorrow when you look at your neighbor, say thank you, because he’s paying your welfare, and your paying his welfare, in some shape or form: “

I’ve missed out. I get no government benefits. When the time for medicare and social security comes, I paid for that. If they gave me just what my employer and I put into those plans, I’d be content. Other than that, nada. In fact, I’m in the red on the government cheese meter. I spent 4 years in the Navy. To this day, the only benefit was using the GI Bill to finish college.

I guess I’m not good at working the system.


8 posted on 07/13/2021 7:18:58 AM PDT by brownsfan (Term limits! Without term limits, we are doomed.)
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To: brownsfan

Similarly, the majority of the San Francisco Bay Area seems oddly fond of the restrictions. Does it make us feel important or something? What is wrong with people? Are that many of us psycho?


9 posted on 07/13/2021 7:19:50 AM PDT by Persevero (I am afraid propriety has been set at naught. - Jane Austen )
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To: mykroar

Humans will accept ever shrinking freedoms until they are all gone, then suffer a couple of generations of pure slavery before fighting back.

See Russia and Cuba.

“Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose!”


10 posted on 07/13/2021 7:23:01 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Critical Race Theory: black behavior is so bad it must be whitey's fault.)
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To: Persevero

“Are that many of us psycho?”

Yes.

I liken it to reality TV programming. People like to watch others live life, it seems to give them some kind of feeling of participation, living vicariously through someone else.

In that vein, I think the covid restrictions give some people a sense of purpose, a sense that they are doing something meaningful. These are the same people that are all about making you and I change our habits to “fight” climate change.


11 posted on 07/13/2021 7:23:22 AM PDT by brownsfan (Term limits! Without term limits, we are doomed.)
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To: brownsfan
You just can’t tell.

Some Freepers (and some mass media types) enjoy oversimplifying the situation, but there are a wide range of views out there, and it is not that easy to find out what people are _really_ thinking.

There are many different views on vaccines, masks, different types of vaccines, opening and closing of different venues, and many folks do not want to share their views on any of it for fear of alienating others (whose views they do not know).

I am a good example.

I am never getting a vaccine because I just don't trust the vaccine manufacturers and the governments to tell the truth about anything.

But--I do wear a mask in certain settings where it is the social norm and/or there are crowds of strangers.

At this point I am more worried about vaccinated people shedding on me than I am about catching the virus from un-vaccinated folks.

There is no way I am going to explain all that to others--zero chance.
12 posted on 07/13/2021 7:26:36 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: brownsfan

Very good points. I have thought several times, after incidents of weird public behavior, that many people felt that this gave meaning to their lives.

There’s also a number of folks who claim to be very happy that they’ll never have to have real contact with other humans again and will live their lives virtually and as spectators.

And finally there’s a disturbingly large group that loves the feeling of power this gives them. They become agents of the government, watching their neighbors intently for any sign of disagreement or non-compliance with the program.


13 posted on 07/13/2021 7:31:08 AM PDT by livius
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To: Mark17
Successful public school surgery, performed over the years, has removed the ability to remember anything past the last time they got laid.

Walmart still sports people walking around with masks.

Survey still report a quantifiable percentage of people that are afraid still of covid.

America USED TO BE the arrogant, smart ass kid in a large family ... loveable, but different from the rest.

14 posted on 07/13/2021 7:32:30 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true !)
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To: mykroar

There’s an undercurrent of fear - fear of crime, mostly, but also social gatherings of people doing things that others don’t approve of - behind these numbers, not just fear of disease. While there might be a few fundamental Christians in those percentages, I’d wager that most of those opposing lifting restrictions are the weak woke who see personal safety as more important than individual freedom. “The whipped dog prefers the chain.”


15 posted on 07/13/2021 7:38:43 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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To: mykroar
Do People Want Their Pre-Pandemic Freedom Back?

No, we want to go waaaayyyyy further back than the "pandemic."

16 posted on 07/13/2021 7:38:56 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: dynachrome
The criminals will love opening speakeasies, gambling halls, and whorehouses. I’d do an all in one.

A twofer. You establish a free enterprise business and you would have to hire a lot of Dem women. They aren't working as much now but then will have jobs again.

Dem women who switch from the whorehouse to gambling will, as said in the line from the Broadway play and film The Front Page "You'll save a lot of wear and tear on your keister."

17 posted on 07/13/2021 7:46:12 AM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: mykroar

“But the pandemic has also revealed John Bull’s authoritarian streak.” The magazine went on to report on the results of polling conducted along with Ipsos MORI that found a surprising degree of support among Britons not just for the lockdowns of the past year, but for maintaining restrictions sold as efforts to head off the spread of COVID-19.”

Not really in the UK and Australia!:
Mean while in the UK, Mother Land of the Aussies:

Maskless in London this past week!:

Summer Soltice fun without the maskerbations, panic and spacing in London!

Freed from the Maskzi’s!

https://twitter.com/SimonPForrester/status/1408914481736998919?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1408914481736998919%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvaccineimpact.com%2F2021%2Fhundreds-of-thousands-take-to-the-streets-in-london-to-protest-and-fight-for-their-children%2F

Even in Australia!: The natives there are restless and on the move!

https://anti-empire.com/freedom-breaks-out-as-australian-crowds-defy-lockdown-directives-to-vegetate/


18 posted on 07/13/2021 7:58:53 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (“Respond only to polite and intelligent posters! Who don’t insult you or us! Forget the others!”)
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To: mykroar

This is what we get when unelected bureaucratic medical “professionals” are allowed to run a giant petri dish experiment on a society. If we all listened to everything our doctor/nutritionist overlords proscribed the suicide rate would be 100% due to our being miserable.


19 posted on 07/13/2021 8:05:00 AM PDT by frogjerk (I will not do business with fascists)
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To: mykroar

Linus has traded his blanket for a mask.


20 posted on 07/13/2021 8:06:50 AM PDT by frogjerk (I will not do business with fascists)
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