Posted on 05/14/2021 8:14:27 AM PDT by MNDude
Continuing a worrisome trend, the New York Yankees played shortstop Gleyber Torres on the Covid-19 injured list today. The fully-vaccinated player thus becomes the eighth team member to contract the coronavirus after being fully vacccinated.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention only reports patients that have been hospitalized or died in so-called “breakthrough” cases of those who contact the virus even after being vaccinated. The CDC claims that a “small percentage” of people are expected to contract Covid-19 even after being vaccinated.
I wonder how many total people (sample size) we are talking about (players, trainers, coaches, managers, etc.)? Several dozen? A couple of hundred?
8 cases could easily be in the effectiveness range of the vaccine, as determined in the trials - i.e. no surprise.
I'll try to be consistent: I wasn't scared of COVID pre-vaccines because most cases in younger healthy people are mild. I'm not suddenly scared of it now that most cases - all cases? - in vaccinated people are mild. My standard is not 'nobody ever gets infected'.
All eight people who tested positive were fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with Boone saying they all received the Johnson & Johnson single shot. Nevin had been the only individual who manifested symptoms, which have since subsided. All eight individuals are now symptom-free but continue to test positive.
Interesting.......
Johnson and Johnson is listed under Jansen, which is one of their pharmaceutical divisions.
I’m Learning something new everyday.
So you have a 15% control group. In that group none of them have contracted Covid.
Of the 85% in the vaccine group, 38% have contracted Covid versus 0% in the control group.
Tell me how is this vaccine “effective”?
Are they “break through” cases or are they getting covid from the vaccinations. It’s already been proven that the viral spike proteins are capable of causing covid pathologies, so why in the hell would they inject people with m-RNA coding for these proteins? And vaccinate them not once, but TWICE within 3 weeks! Medical personnel usually have no choice in the matter. You get vaccinated or you don’t have clearance to work. People in the general population in Oregon were vaccinated twice also and have been sick with various symptoms for 2 months.
Some FReepers are on that bandwagon, but mostly in bad faith. These are the same people who - before the vaccines - were claiming that most cases are false positives and that asymptomatic cases shouldn’t even be counted. Now that we have vaccines available, any detectable trace of SARS-CoV-2 within 3 miles of a vaccinated person is undeniable proof that the vaccines are actually Bill Gates mind control microchips that are rewriting your DNA so that magnets will stick to your arms.
There’s no reason to be scared with COVID-19. Each person needs to rationally evaluate (perhaps with the help of their personal physician) their level of risk for severe symptoms and their relative risk of even contracting it so they can take reasonable steps to protect themselves. Beyond that, everyone should understand the facts about the vaccines so they can make an informed decision about what is best for their own health and wellbeing. In the end, if somebody decides to wait on getting vaccinated or decides not to get vaccinated at all, that’s their decision and I completely respect that. The only thing I have a problem with is somebody spreading bad info (not you), because that robs people of their chance to make an informed decision.
I would like to see reliable data on the re-infection rate on those who contracted and recovered from covid and those who were “breakthroughs” with the vaccine.
There’s probably a reason this data isn’t common knowledge.
Yep! Maybe those of us who had the Covid before the shot cold have avoided some interesting vaccine side effects.
After my first Pfizer shot, I had the Covid Rash and felt like someone riding a bike ran into me for about 5 days.
A son, who got a Moderna shot, missed 4 days of work and felt like a Yeti on a trail bike ran over him. Then, he stopped taking Tylenol and took a NSAID at bedtime. He had a good night sleep and returned to work the next day. Neither of us had any problems with our second shot.
Our spouses after their first shot had a some discomfort for about 2 days, and a single NSAID tablet in an hour kicked in and brought relief.
The spouses had zero problems with the second shot.
Literally impossible as the vaccines do not contain the virus and the S protein does not trigger a PCR test.
"It’s already been proven that the viral spike proteins are capable of causing covid pathologies"
No it hasn't. Some interesting first-run research has been done that explored the possibility that S proteins can interact with ACE2 receptors in certain tissues in interesting ways. There is no confirmation at all of this happening within human beings and no confirmation at all that this happens with vaccination. A lot more research needs to be done before any definitive statements could possibly be made about this.
"so why in the hell would they inject people with m-RNA coding for these proteins?"
The S protein is the safest, most reliable antigen to use for vaccination. The N protein has ADE potential and the M protein isn't critical enough to the viral replication lifecycle. It could radically change with no impact to the virus. Radical changes to the S protein would almost certainly render it incapable of binding to human ACE2 receptors, thus making the virus unable to infect humans. Which antigen are you suggesting should be used in place of the S protein?
"And vaccinate them not once, but TWICE within 3 weeks!"
The Yankees coaches, staff members, and player (singular) referenced in this story got the J&J vaccine, which is one dose and contains no mRNA. So your whole rant here isn't even relevant.
Months ago, before being vaccinated, Gleyber Torres came down with Covid.
Then, some time later, he was vaccinated ... and now’s he come down with Covid, again.
I believe in the vaccine but that’s really worrisome.
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Any symptoms? If not, there must be something wrong with the test.
Data from Manaus, Brazil suggests the P.1 variant readily reinfects people who previously got sick with the April 2020 variant. The P.1 variant also shows more breakthrough potential with the vaccines (which were designed against the original Wuhan SARS-CoV-2 virus), but the vaccines are still very effective against it.
Previous data showed that if you had the April 2020 variant, your risk of reinfection was roughly 1 in 10,000. However, the new variants change that math considerably. There’s a lot of evidence for that in South Africa as well. So far it appears that people who had severe COVID-19 cases have significantly more protection - including against the variants - than those who had mild or asymptomatic infections.
Covid is highly contagious so it is understandable you could get re-infected if you are around infected people.
I would tend to wonder if there’s something going with Gleyber Torres’ immune system. The smart thing would be to do some close study of cases like his to understand why his body seems to be incapable of fending off this infection.
I’d also like to know which variant he’s infected with currently. If it’s P.1 (Brazil), that makes at least a little more sense. Some of it also comes down to the level of exposure. If I locked somebody in an elevator with a bunch of extremely sick COVID patients coughing all over the place, then vaccine or not - previous infection or not - they’re getting such a massive exposure that they’ll likely test positive for some time afterwards.
asking that dumb question...
if they are asymptomatic...why are they being tested? And is the test detecting Covid or the vaccine?
Example: Cats can be vaccinated against FIV, but they will later test positive for FIV because the test cannot detect the difference.
“Of the 85% in the vaccine group, 38% have contracted Covid”
How many are in the vaccine group?
It is not just players, but managers, coaches, trainers, etc.. Maybe some admin folks, bus drivers, baggage handlers custodians, etc..
The statistic In the story is only counting the players.
Of that group 0% of the control group has contracted Covid and 38% of the vaccinated group has contracted Covid.
We don’t know the statistics of the non players.
Not dumb questions at all!
They’re all tested regularly per policy for exactly this reason: breakthrough cases are still possible and regular testing enables them to limit the risk of transmission. These guys are packed in shoulder-to-shoulder day-in and day-out working together, practicing together, and doing all manner of heavy physical activity in close quarters. That’s a lot of opportunity for any disease exposure if it’s present.
The test detects bits of viral RNA that are specific to SARS-CoV-2. In essence, it’s looking for the genetic sequences that define SARS-CoV-2 as a different virus from other related viruses like SARS-CoV-1 (SARS2003) and MERS-CoV(MERS2012). The vaccines in use in the United States don’t have the whole virus. They have a small section of the viral code that produces the spike (or S) protein, which is one of several surface proteins on SARS-CoV-2 virions. Specifically, it’s the one that binds to human cell receptors (like a key going into a lock) to enable cell entry.
That S protein doesn’t trigger the RT-PCR COVID-19 test. So there’s no chance they’re detecting the vaccine. What’s important to note is that the RT-PCR test does NOT look at how many virions are actually inside your body infecting your cells. All it can do is say that you have some amount of SARS-CoV-2 genetic material at the collection site (usually in the nasal passages). You can probably see immediately how that limits the test itself. It’s not telling you that the person’s body is overrun with COVID-19. They may - in fact - not have any active virions at all in their body. The presence of the viral genetic material alone will trigger a positive result. This has been shown to happen sometimes days or even weeks after the infection has been cleared.
“The statistic In the story is only counting the players.”
I thought that only one of the eight was a player. From the article:
“The previous seven cases on the Yankees include pitching coach Matt Blake, third-base coach Phil Nevin and first-base coach Reggie Willits. Manager Aaron Boone said Wednesday that six of the seven coaches and staffers were asymptomatic.”
“if they are asymptomatic...why are they being tested?”
I would guess that they are making everyone take regular tests, to quickly contain any potential outbreak.
Stupidity reigns.
None have Covid or have tested positive for Covid which is a disease, a respiratory syndrome. None of them have that.
Baseball does a PCR test every other day on all employees.
They have tested positive for Sars2 RNA, not for having Covid, in other words exposure not the disease.
Just about all of us had chicken pox or younger freepers got the vaccine.
After we had it we could be around friends or siblings who had it without worry.
If they had done PCR tests on us for chicken pox DNA when we’d been with friends or family with chicken pox, we would have tested positive.
But we would not have had chicken pox.
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