[Flick Lives]

stay-at-home orders (also known as shelter-in-place orders or SIPs) were not associated with lower infections or deaths; furthermore, they were actually associated with a slight increase in infections and deaths...

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So locking everyone inside, breathing the same stale air and not getting any sunshine is actually not so good for one’s health. Who knew.

[cdcdawg]

Wait, I thought that there were no lockdowns or mask mandates, or any other measures taken. I thought that official policy across the country was “it’s just the flu, bro” leading to a “butcher’s bill.” Sarcasm.

[Incorrigible]

Shutting down parks and beaches was the dumbest thing to do last spring.

[Sacajaweau]

Of course it had an effect....Old people died in homes...by the hundreds. Thousands lost their businesses and it caused a second wave.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

“…the orders themselves contributed a reduction in mobility of just 0.7% compared to pre-pandemic levels. This is largely, they say, because people were already reducing their mobility as much as they were able or willing to.”

Auto traffic on California Bay Area roads must have collapsed 95% in March 2020 after the SIP orders were given. The freeways were almost empty. I could walk the mile to our little downtown, walk down Main Street, and walk home again and see at most one or two cars on the road. I could hike miles in our parks and not see another soul. Our beaches were completely empty.

don’t buy this 0.7% reduction in mobility claim. The road traffic in the Bay Area suddenly exploded back to normal levels three or four months ago. Now it’s regular gridlock and stop-and-go everywhere again.

I agree with the premise of the article. At most, the lockdowns extended the pain into the future.

As is commonly said, “viruses gonna virus.”

[Diana in Wisconsin]

Every April, like clockwork, I get a Common Cold that is so bad it makes me want to die. It’s not unusual for me to sleep for hours and sometimes days at a time...to the point that family call to check on me. I’ve missed Easter Dinner many, many times!

This year? Nothing. So, obviously it’s those Germ-Laden Humans I used to be exposed to working in the Public Sector. ;)

Once we’re back to ‘normal’ (don’t kid yourselves; that’s not ever going to happen) I’m curious to see what next Spring brings for me and the next flu season for all of us.

P.S. I was washing my hands numerous times a day and always burying my nose/mouth in my elbow for a sneeze BEFORE it was fashionable!

[HotHunt]

I could have told you lockdowns and social distancing didn't have any effect on preventing the spread of the virus. Add wearing masks to that too.

I have not worn a mask, social distanced or locked down since this so-called pandemic started and I haven't gotten the covid. And I'm in my mid-70s.

These mandates have nothing to do with the health and well-being of the population.

The mandates were to control the public and exert the Left's power over people.

Now they're using the fear of a second or third wave to extend their reach. And using the vaccines as a way to stretch out their control over the public.

All this to prevent getting the covid which has a 99.8% survivability rate.

Declare a pandemic, create a crisis, instill fear into people, close down the economy and the country, make up the masks, social distancing and lockdowns as a way control the public and you have a genuine "don't let a crisis go to waste" opportunity that could even be used to justify changing the election to mail-in ballots and cheat like hale to win with a couple of candidates that don't know what they are doing. IOW, create the Twilight Zone.

Someone prove me otherwise.

[consult]

“Our analysis produces no evidence that SIP orders led to substantial reductions in mobility, COVID-19 cases, or COVID-19−related deaths”.

(SIP = shelter-in-place)

Several other major studies have shown the same.

• An analysis of COVID-19 data from 41 countries has identified 3 measures that each substantially cut viral transmission: school and university closures, restricting gatherings to no more than 10 people and shutting businesses. But adding stay-at-home orders to those actions brought only marginal benefit (Science. 2020:eabd9338 DOI: 10.1126/science.abd9338). Closing most nonessential face-to-face businesses was only somewhat more effective than targeted closures, which only affected businesses with high infection risk, such as bars, restaurants, and nightclubs. Limiting indoor gatherings to 10 people or less was more effective than limits of up to 100 or 1000 people and had a more robust effect estimate.

• A study looked at lockdown policies across 50 countries in the first half of 2020 and mortality rates. It concludes that “the lockdowns in most Western countries have thrown the world into the most severe recession since World War II and the most rapidly developing recession ever seen in mature market economies. They have also caused an erosion of fundamental rights and the separation of powers in large part of the world as both democratic and autocratic regimes have misused their emergency powers and ignored constitutional limits to policy making (CESifo Economic Studies. 2021;Published: 29 March, https://doi.org/10.1093/cesifo/ifab003). Comparing weekly mortality in 24 European countries, the findings in this paper suggest that more severe lockdown policies have not been associated with lower mortality. In other words, the lockdowns have not worked as intended. Further tests also show that early interventions offered no additional benefits or effectiveness and even indicate that the lockdowns of the spring of 2020 were associated with significantly more deaths in the particular age group between 60 and 79 years.”

• Less disruptive and costly non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) can be as effective as more intrusive, drastic, ones (for example, a national lockdown) according to a review of 6,068 hierarchically coded NPIs implemented in 79 territories (Nature Human Behav. 2020;16 November). “Surprisingly, communicating on the importance of social distancing has been only marginally less effective than imposing distancing measures by law,” the authors write. The study does endorsed some of the component restrictions the U.S. has imposed — banning public gatherings and border restrictions — over the more sweeping lockdowns.

• Frequent testing found that 2% of US Marines (n=1,848) that volunteered in April 2020 became positive for SARS-CoV-2 during a 2-week during a strictly enforced military quarantine study conducted by Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in cooperation with the Naval Medical Research Center (COVID-19 Health Action Response for Marines, aka CHARM Study. NEJM. 2020;published November 11). A lockdown, however extreme, may not be capable of suppressing the virus. All recruits wore double-layered cloth masks at all times indoors and outdoors, except when sleeping or eating; practiced social distancing of at least 6 feet; were not allowed to leave campus; did not have access to personal electronics and other items that might contribute to surface transmission; and routinely washed their hands. They slept in double-occupancy rooms with sinks. All recruits cleaned their rooms daily, sanitized bathrooms after each use with bleach wipes, and ate preplated meals in a dining hall that was cleaned with bleach after each platoon had eaten. Most instruction and exercises were conducted outdoors. All movement of recruits was supervised, and unidirectional flow was implemented, with designated building entry and exit points to minimize contact among persons. Recruits and instructors were prohibited from interacting with campus support staff, such as janitorial and food-service personnel.

• Asymptomatic and secondary infected individuals do not appear to infect others according to a study that performed SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly ten million residents of Wuhan, China (Nature. 2020;11:5917). “1174 close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases were traced.” Not a single additional person caught the virus. “The detection rate of asymptomatic positive cases in the post-lockdown Wuhan was very low (0.303/10,000), and there was no evidence that the identified asymptomatic positive cases were infectious. These findings enabled decision makers to adjust prevention and control strategies in the post-lockdown period. Further studies are required to fully evaluate the impacts and cost-effectiveness of the citywide screening of SARS-CoV-2 infections on population’s health, health behaviours, economy, and society.” Note by commentator: It appears that the only time people can infect others is mostly when they are symptomatic. Best just to quarantine the symptomatic patient, as human societies have been doing for centuries and centuries.

[David Chase]

Because the fact is No One can really stay home.

People need to get food, medications, gasoline, etc.

So where all the people go for food are the same places because of the lockdowns and closed restaurants.

During the thick of Covid lockdowns........everyone I ever knew was shopping at Walmart. Because they needed to.

Lockdowns can not work in our society. We rely on stores, pharmacies, auto repair shops, etc. We have to be out in public.

[bgill]

Invalid. There was never a policed stay home group vs. an out of home group to study.

[rockabyebaby]

Stay-at-Home Lockdowns Made No Difference to Covid Deaths in U.S. States – Study

Well who-da-thunk??? SMH

[Amendment10]

Thank you for referencing that article Red Badger. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

"Stay-at-Home Lockdowns Made No Difference to Covid Deaths in U.S. States – Study"

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FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

Lockdowns need to be ordered early enough, like PDJT did, before a virus has had a chance to spread, or they are worthless imo.

More specifically, the purpose of ordering a lockdown early enough is to “flatten the curve” so that medical facilities won't be overwhelmed with victims.

On the other hand, politically correct, “Orange Man Bad” lockdowns ordered too late by desperate Democrats are worthless because virus has had chance to spread. So you consequently lockdown with somebody who probably already has virus and get infected.

And when lockdowns are in effect in winter, unless you’re taking vitamin D3 dietary supplements, you’re probably not going to get enough sunlight on your skin to produce D3 which helps to stop the virus in my nonmedical opinion.

Next, on a broader issue, patriots need to primary (2022) federal and state lawmakers who refuse to agree that Congress and the Oval Office don’t have the express constitutional authority to dictate domestic policy and promise to let each state decide its own domestic policy as the founders had intended.

Also, when the federal government accuses someone of violating a law, judges and law enforcement officials should be required to do the following.

Judges and law-enforcement officials need to inform the accused of the constitutional clause(s) that arguably justifies the allegedly broken law for further scrutiny of the constitutionality of that law, especially where unconstitutional federal peacetime gun control laws are concerned imo.

[imardmd1]

for reference