Posted on 05/03/2021 3:55:46 PM PDT by lightman
There are no more experts. They know nothing. So, don’t listen to them. Okay, maybe that’s not actually fair—but the real experts are being ignored by the liberal media for a simple reason: they want the COVID panic to continue. They want more deaths to occur. They want a spike. They want to keep the nation locked down. It’s partially out of spite. Blue states are still under Nazi-esque lockdown rules—and their cases are still bad. Not like last year, but Michigan is seeing a massive spike, whereas Texas who nixed their mask mandate over five weeks ago and reopened fully has seen no spikes—none. Florida has also been a state that has managed its COVID crisis better than the media gave it credit for, painting Gov. Ron DeSantis as the grim reaper. It turns out the entire media establishment ate it on that one—no shock. The good news is that even though Democratic states cannot manage COVID, there is no fourth wave. A spike in one state—Michigan, does not make a wave no matter what the CDC says. Even Dr. Anthony Fauci has said he doesn’t think there’s going to be a fourth wave. And alas, here is the circus. The CDC saying there’s “impending doom,” which was voiced around spring break to Fauci saying, ‘nah, that ain’t happening.’ The messaging on COVID protocols has been a mess; the ones with vaccines has been even worse. An MIT study pretty much gutted or cast immense doubt on the effectiveness and purpose of air filtration systems, indoor capacity caps, and even mask wearing. Folks think they’re protected wearing a mask. Nope. It’s an airborne virus. If you’re inside with someone exposed, that mask isn’t doing much, whether it be six or sixty feet apart. It’s all a mess, and now we have this garbage about not reaching herd immunity (via NYT):
Early in the pandemic, when vaccines for the coronavirus were still just a glimmer on the horizon, the term “herd immunity” came to signify the endgame: the point when enough Americans would be protected from the virus so we could be rid of the pathogen and reclaim our lives.
Now, more than half of adults in the United States have been inoculated with at least one dose of a vaccine. But daily vaccination rates are slipping, and there is widespread consensus among scientists and public health experts that the herd immunity threshold is not attainable — at least not in the foreseeable future, and perhaps not ever.
Instead, they are coming to the conclusion that rather than making a long-promised exit, the virus will most likely become a manageable threat that will continue to circulate in the United States for years to come, still causing hospitalizations and deaths but in much smaller numbers.
How much smaller is uncertain and depends in part on how much of the nation, and the world, becomes vaccinated and how the coronavirus evolves. It is already clear, however, that the virus is changing too quickly, new variants are spreading too easily and vaccination is proceeding too slowly for herd immunity to be within reach anytime soon.
We discussed this before, including medical doctors. Do you see what’s missing? There is a glaring omission: natural immunity. The coverage on COVID has become so bad that liberal data crunchers, like Nate Silver, are coming off as conservative on social media, as he’s taken a hatchet to some of the narratives being peddled out here. He recently said there were “a lot of bad takes” about how Florida handled COVID. Dr. Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins also weighed in, saying the article omits herd immunity. Others also noted that the Times doesn’t seem to know the difference between herd immunity and eradication.
Look, the vaccine is a choice. I got it. A ton of my friends have as well, but we also know that the messaging is terrible.
‘Get the vaccine but stay locked up’ is not going to get people to sign up. I can understand the hesitancy. Luckily, tens of millions are getting shots and ignoring the indirectly idiotic advice experts have doled out. They’re all bureaucrats and ALL bureaucrats have agendas, Fauci being the biggest of all. Almost every protocol they’ve come up with is either nonsensical or enforced and applied in ways that make no sense. The NCAA basketball tournament being a prime example. Players must wear masks and be socially distanced on the bench…but not while they’re playing on the court? This is a virus with a. 90+ percent survivability rate. Is it contagious? Sure—it’s why based on the data that Dr. Makary thinks that up to two-thirds of the US population might have already had the infection. Natural immunity is something that is never applied in these scenarios which is malpractice. The reinfection rate for those who already had COVID is also immensely low. The truth is we’re probably very close to herd immunity, but government doctors lie. And with the CDC being exposed for colluding with teachers’ unions to keep schools closed—do you still trust the experts? They’re political operatives that are no better than the ones who are on panels of guest host on networks like CNN or MSNBC.
I’ve read and agree with most of your points.
I am pro vax and anti mask.
Anti lockdown. Anti Faucist dictatorship.
If people VOLUNTARILY taking the vaccine (which I did back in January) gets us back to March 1, 2020, then the sooner the better.
The past 14 months have made me realize just how libertarian I have become.
Time for these vax threads to go the way of chemtrails and chupacabra. This Y2Kesque doomcrying is getting old.
“ This is the Trump Vaccine that you are dissing!
I’m not sure that’s any kind of effective argument.
I’d vote for Donaldus J. Maximus Trump again, but the Pharma companies delivered an experimental technology. All trump did was clear the barriers out of the way.
When the human trials are over, we’ll know more.
Until then, I’m in the Control Group.
#Humanitarian
Damn Skippy........COVID-22 is sitting in coolers right now waiting to be unleashed on society.
Oddly, it will be the most leathal in towns, cities, counties and states that traditionally vote for the Republican’s. Liberals in the Blue Cities(most of them) will be fine to stroll through their hipster neighborhoods, visit their favorite sidewalk cafe or go to their neighborhood micro brewery for some nasty IPA they don’t really like, but they have to drink anyway.
‘preciate it
As they prophesized . . . WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!
Believe or you will never be accepted into the religion of Covidism.
Trump would have to be Jesus Christ for us to agree with everything he says and does. As of yet, I know of no Trump supporters that call him Jesus. In fact, most disagree with him in on many things
And good god, forget all those that had it already and are already part of the herd immunity.
Nope, we can only get herd immunity through vaccines.
I have a friend who works with Urgent Care and ER patients all over the country. They have started to routinely ask each patient if they received the Covid Vaccine recently. They are discovering a large number of blood clots, heart inflammation, strokes, miscarriages and partial paralysis associated with the vaccines, much larger than the percentage you would expect with the CDC data put out to the public. The biggest issue, for them, is that if they didn’t ask that question, no one would make the association between the illness and the shot. These incidents are not being reported due to fear of reprisal.
Just remember who is urging you to get the “shot.” It’s the same people who have been lying to you about available treatments, faulty tests, and numbers of deaths. They don’t want to include those with acquired immunity in their herd immunity calculations because they know many of those who tested “positive” didn’t have Covid at all. Remember those doctors who were fired and discredited for telling the public about available treatments? How about those of us suspended from Twitter for even mentioning HCQ or Ivermectin?
Now the media and CDC are ratcheting up the pressure and ridiculing people who won’t take the unproven “vaccine,” even those of us with an over 99% chance of Covid survival under natural conditions. Why so much pressure? If they are vaccinated, what do they care?
this thread is about covid 19 not covid 3... 😂
We've had 35 deaths, old people with one foot in the grave, in almost a year and a half in this county of 24,000. We have many thousands of people come here from St Louis every weekend for recreation. They don't wear masks while here, they shop at our stores and eat in our open restaurants. St Louis is this state's hot spot.
We don't wear masks or social distance.
Kids have been back at school for 4-5 months, also no masks or social distancing.
We're not dying or getting deathly ill.
Why the hell do I need a newfangled "vaccine"?
Can't believe how many people on this site believe the case/death numbers, 90% of which come from big blue cities where lying ass democrat/communist criminals who like to kill babies live, are anything close to accurate.
Do you not think they would lie and even possibly let someone else's grandpa die just to get the $13k per case from fedgov per each case or $39k if they go on a ventilator? Those big blue city people are experts at snagging every fedgov dollar they can. They've been doing it for decades. It's the only way they stay afloat financially. Grift off of fedgov.
Everything is COVID in the cities.
Talk about being a retarded dumbass.
Ironic that people want to be part of the herd.
Gee, where have we heard the phrase "herded into the ___________."
Box cars?
Gas chambers?
Re-education camp?
And, this was all in the works before 2016. You know, the election Hillary was supposed to win.
HRC was going to be Gretchen Whitmer on steroids. This was likely her plan for “President for Life”.
Reaganez, you seem a little uptight. Comfort yourself with this knowledge...herd immunity will be achieved in the same amount of time it took to get herd immunity for the Flu, RSV, Swine Flu, Rhinovirus, other coronaviruses!
I actually AM an expert.
And I know there is no "herd immunity" to the other human coronaviruses (OC43, HKU1,229E, NL63, MERS-CoV, and SARS-CoV), so I don't see any reason why there should be "herd immunity" to SARS-CoV 2.
I also think that most people who use the term, which is not really on point to this situation, are trying to sound smarter than they actually are.
And, unfortunately, really smart people like AF who talk about it are, perhaps, trying to (continue to) manipulate public opinion by saying things they think are comforting rather than what they actually believe.
Having created a panic for reasons in the realm of public opinion and government, they are struggling to shut it down.
BUT - I do support vaccination 100%. Really. That's the truth.
“If members of the retarded dumbass community would get vaxxed then we could achieve herd immunity.”
So, by that statement, you obviously do not know what “herd immunity” means. You also fail any level of logical reasoning to think if you are vaccinated that you need herd immunity.
Maybe you should take a biology class at a community college and learn about such matters before making such obviously ignorant statements.
Sign me up as a Charter Member of the Retarded Dumbass Community.
At least we know the difference between “breeding” and “breading”.
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