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U.S. Supreme Court Grants Certiorari for New York State Rifle v. Corlett (Carry)
AmmoLand ^ | 28 April, 2021 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 05/01/2021 5:34:43 AM PDT by marktwain

On Monday, April 26, 2021, the United States Supreme Court agreed to hear the case of New York Rifle, Et Al. v. Corlett, for the question of whether the denial of applications for firearms carry licenses violates the Second Amendment. From the supremecourt.gov:

The petitions for writs of certiorari are granted.  

20-843 NEW YORK STATE RIFLE, ET AL. V. CORLETT, KEITH M., ET AL. 

The petition for a writ of certiorari is granted limited to the following question: Whether the State’s denial of petitioners’ applications for concealed-carry licenses for self-defense violated the Second Amendment.

This is the first significant Second Amendment case the court has decided to take, arguably, in a decade.

While the court decided to hear a previous New York State Rifle case, it decided the case was made moot before arguments were heard.  Others might argue the Caetano case was important, which while true, it was not as important as a case directly dealing with carry of firearms outside the home.

This New York State Rifle case is primarily about whether a local authority may arbitrarily deny otherwise qualified citizens from obtaining concealed-carry licenses for self-defense outside the home.

Ideological Leftists, Progressives, Cultural Marxists, or Woke (all versions of the same unlimited government power ideology), have feared a case such as this for some time. It is why the District of Columbia refused to appeal the Wrenn v. D.C. decision in 2017.

The make-up of the Supreme Court has not changed to favor those who view the Constitution as a “living document”. Three originalists and textualists have been appointed to the Supreme Court by President Donald Trump.

On the other hand, Chief Justice Roberts has moved further to the left, often siding with the three far-left justices.

The very limited question, in this case, maybe the result of bargaining by Chief Justice Roberts, to ensure some form of permit law remains after the decision by the Supreme Court. As the question is limited to whether the denial of a permit is unconstitutional under the Second Amendment, the implication is the permit itself is acceptable.

As the case will be limited to the question of denial, the court would have room in the future to decide if permits themselves are an infringement.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; certiorari; newyork; nystaterifle; permits; scotus; secondamendment; supremecourt
The question implies permits are not an unconstitutional infringement.

When the decision is written, it should point out it is *not* ruling on whether permits themselves are an infringement.

1 posted on 05/01/2021 5:34:43 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

2 posted on 05/01/2021 5:39:32 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screeen name for my FR home page.)
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To: marktwain

what will Malta, the Vatican, Germany
and the NWO pedophiles ORDER Roberts
and their other SCOTUS marionettes to do?

SCOTUS should be removed from US Government.
they had their chance ... and chose raped children.


3 posted on 05/01/2021 5:40:15 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Tuitio Fidei et Obsequium Pauperum)
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To: marktwain

Count on Barrett siding with the leftists on anything firearms.

You can come back to this thread afterwards to thank me.


4 posted on 05/01/2021 5:41:52 AM PDT by fwdude (Pass up too many hills to die on, and you will eventually fall off the edge of the world.)
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To: fwdude

I think Barrett’s $2 million up-front book deal is her payoff.


5 posted on 05/01/2021 5:52:47 AM PDT by Notthereyet (We're so angry we can spit pea pellets at a tree and drill the dang tree. )
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To: marktwain

Can we get someone to stake out the Bank of Malta so we can see which way this is going to go?


6 posted on 05/01/2021 6:01:46 AM PDT by dljordan (Slouching towards Woketopia)
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To: Notthereyet

“I think Barrett’s $2 million up-front book deal is her payoff.”

It’s the way they do it.


7 posted on 05/01/2021 6:02:48 AM PDT by dljordan (Slouching towards Woketopia)
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To: marktwain
I'm no Constitutional scholar but I think that "Caetano v Massachusetts" was pretty important for at least a couple of reasons.One is that it was a 9-0 decision (even Ruth Buzzi Ginsburg voted "aye") and second is because the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court (the highest state court in Massachusetts) had upheld the law under which Caetano was convicted as fully Constitutional using three different arguments...all of which Justice Scalia described as "frivolous" in his written decision.

But OTOH now that we know that SCOTUS has no problem whatsoever with the theft of a Presidential election I will never again depend on *any* court in this country doing the right thing.

8 posted on 05/01/2021 6:03:40 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Trump: "They're After You. I'm Just In The Way")
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To: fwdude

Barrett was oversold and any attempt at a discussion of her conservatism, small Government bona fide during to confirmation process was ruthlessly suppressed as an attack on commitment to religious observance.
IMO she will do additional damage and hinder the goal of returning America to the Constitution and the process of diminishing the power of the Federal G’vt relative to States Rights.


9 posted on 05/01/2021 6:15:22 AM PDT by JayGalt (Nation under Assault )
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To: dljordan; Notthereyet

What a fascinating means of money laundering. Indistinguishable from a real book deal, easy to inject big payments up front, easy to buy out inventory, bonus of others paying for it if the subject actually proves interesting enough.


10 posted on 05/01/2021 6:15:50 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The claim of consensus is the first refuge of scoundrels.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I agree Caetano is an important decision. Most seem to ignore it because it did not deal directly with firearms.

It gains in importance if the Supreme Court rules the Second Amendment applies outside the home.

11 posted on 05/01/2021 6:20:52 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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To: marktwain
If the Supreme Court does anything but find the permits UNConstitutional, then

they think that the Founding Fathers meant that

"a well-regulated milita"

was one where they couldn't leave their house.

12 posted on 05/01/2021 6:29:15 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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New York presents many interesting Second Amendment issues, of which “may issue” laws (obviously unconstitutional) are only one.

New York State does not issue weapons permits to nonresidents. They just don’t. They also do not recognize any other state’s permits (full faith and credit, obviously unconstitutional).

They instruct their police to arrest persons traveling through the State with firearms, saying that jailed gun owners can plead the Federal case at their trial (Federal law allows transport through states while traveling from legal point A to legal point B).

They have delegated State authority over firearms regulation to the City of New York, which has gun laws which are so unbelievable that the hardest job of NYC firearm advocates is getting people outside of NYC to believe that they are real.

I’m not optimistic, because January 6’s peaceable assembly in a building which belongs to US citizens has our entire ruling class, which I presume includes Supreme Court justices, fainting on their couches. In the 1820s, the White House was open to all citizens on Sundays and Andy Jackson would do meet and greets. Now, our rulers must physically separate themselves from us out of fear for their safety.

The wicked flee where no man pursueth.


13 posted on 05/01/2021 6:30:25 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: JayGalt

I always get trounced on when I say this, but women have no business being on any court of law, least of all the highest court. If conservatives are to be consistent, they must stand by their purported contention that men and women are fundamentally different from each other is ways that are substantive.

Women will nearly ALWAYS side with safety above all else, a penchant which would be anathema to our founders.


14 posted on 05/01/2021 6:34:04 AM PDT by fwdude (Pass up too many hills to die on, and you will eventually fall off the edge of the world.)
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To: marktwain
I may pi$$ off both my FUDD friends and my 2A friends, but I don't have a problem with CCW permits.

I have a problem with 1) May Issue rather than Shall Issue, and 2) excessively long permit processing times and unreasonably expensive training requirements.

I would also like to see a ruling on national reciprocity, but that isn't part of this case, and do not want to volunteer to gain standing by being a test case.

15 posted on 05/01/2021 6:58:05 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: MtnClimber

From his speech the other night, Biden seems to think the 2nd Amendment is about hunting. (I read it; I didn’t watch).


16 posted on 05/01/2021 7:33:01 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem by far: most of the news media is agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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To: Notthereyet
Could you give the cynicism a rest before she's had a shot?

Do you really think so little of her character?

17 posted on 05/01/2021 7:38:39 AM PDT by G Larry (Force the Universities to use their TAX FREE ENDOWMENTS to pay off Student loan debt!!!)
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To: G Larry

Why yes, I do think that little of her. As I do the others who opted to play Chicken after Nov 4th.


18 posted on 05/01/2021 7:47:12 AM PDT by Notthereyet (We're so angry we can spit pea pellets at a tree and drill the dang tree. )
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To: fwdude
Count on Barrett siding with the leftists on anything firearms.

Have you read her dissent in Kantor v Barr which she made while an appellate judge?

19 posted on 05/01/2021 11:08:48 AM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Well I would guess one would need a permit and training to go to church.

Write a letter to your congress critter.

Post of free republic.

Or any of the other rights noted in the constitution.

No other amendment tells the government that they SHALL NOT INFRINGE ON IT.


20 posted on 05/02/2021 3:22:12 AM PDT by riverrunner
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