Skip to comments.For What Should We Fight Russia or China?
Posted on 04/06/2021 6:31:14 AM PDT by Kaslin
Last Monday, in a single six-hour period, NATO launched 10 air intercepts to shadow six separate groups of Russian bombers and fighters over the Arctic, North Atlantic, North Sea, Black Sea and Baltic Sea.
Last week also brought reports that Moscow is increasing its troop presence in Crimea and along its borders with Ukraine.
Joe Biden responded. In his first conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Biden assured him of our "unwavering support for Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity in the face of Russia's ongoing aggression in the Donbass and Crimea."
Though Ukraine is not a member of NATO, and we have no treaty obligation to fight in its defense, this comes close to a war guarantee. Biden seems to be saying that if it comes to a shooting war between Moscow and Kiev, we will be there on the side of Kiev.
Last week, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov answered that if the U.S. sends troops to Ukraine, Russia will respond.
Again, is Biden saying that in the event of a military clash between Ukrainians and Russians in Crimea, Donetsk or Luhansk, the U.S. will intervene militarily on the side of Ukraine?
Such a pledge could put us at war with a nuclear-armed Russia in a region where we have never had vital interests, and without the approval of the only institution authorized to declare war -- Congress.
Meanwhile, off Whitsun Reef in the South China Sea, which Beijing occupies but Manila claims, China has amassed 220 maritime militia ships.
This huge Chinese flotilla arrived after Secretary of State Anthony Blinken put Beijing on notice that any attack on Philippine planes or ships challenging Beijing's claim to rocks and reefs of the South China Sea that are in Manila's exclusive economic zone will be backed by the U.S.
Our 70-year-old mutual security treaty with Manila covers these islets and reefs, said Blinken, though some are already occupied and fortified by China.
Apparently, if Manila uses force to assert its claims and expel the Chinese, then we will fight beside our Philippine allies. This amounts to a war guarantee of the kind that forced the British to declare war on Germany in 1939 over the invasion of Poland.
Two weeks ago, 20 Chinese military aircraft entered Taiwan's air defense identification zone in the largest incursion yet by Beijing over the waters between Taiwan and Taiwan-controlled Pratas Islands. As national security correspondent Bill Gertz writes in today's Washington Times:
"China is stepping up provocative activities targeting regional American allies in Asia ... with an escalating number of military flights around Taiwan and the massing of more than 200 fishing ships near a disputed Philippines reef.
"China also raised tensions with Japan, announcing last week that Tokyo must drop all claims to the disputed Senkaku Islands, an uninhabited island chain that Japan has administered for decades but that Beijing recently claimed as its territory.
"The most serious provocation took place March 29. An exercise by the People's Liberation Army air force that included 10 warplanes flew into Taiwan's air defense zone is what analysts say appeared to be a simulated attack on the island. It came just three days after an earlier mass warplane incursion."
While China appears clear about its aims and claims to virtually all of the islands in the South China Sea and East China Sea as well as Taiwan -- it is less clear about its intentions as to when to validate those claims.
As for the U.S., does the present foggy ambiguity as to what we may or may not do as China goes about asserting its claims serve our vital interests in avoiding war with the greatest power on the largest continent on earth?
If red lines are to be laid down, they ought to be laid down by the one constitutional body with the authority to authorize or declare war -- Congress. And questions need to be answered to avoid the kinds of miscalculations that led to horrific world wars in the 20th century.
Are the reefs and rocks the Philippines claim in the South China Sea, claims contradicted by China, covered by the U.S. mutual security treaty of 1951? Are we honor-bound to fight China on behalf of the Philippines, if Manila attempts to reclaim islets China occupies?
What is our obligation if China moves to take the Senkakus? Would the United States join Japan in military action to hold or retrieve them?
What, exactly, is our commitment to Taiwan if China attempts to blockade, invade or seize Taiwan's offshore islands?
John F. Kennedy in the second debate with Richard Nixon in 1960 wrote off Quemoy and Matsu in the Taiwan Strait as indefensible and not worth war with Mao's China.
With its warnings and threats, China is forcing America to address questions we have been avoiding for about as long as we can.
China is saying that it is not bluffing: These islands are ours!
Time to show our cards.
I think many Americans are starting to think that a global empire doesn’t really benefit them.
We are divided, self absorbed and leaderless.
We couldn’t defeat Granada.
You mean our transgender soldiers, gay sailors, and pregnant fighter pilots are not an optimum fighting force?
“You mean our transgender soldiers, gay sailors, and pregnant fighter pilots are not an optimum fighting force?”
I know that’s hard to believe...
We shouldn't War overseas when the Enemy is Domestic.
Oh, wait.. God gave him a loud mouth but no spine.
We either back up our promises to our allies or we begin to learn Mandarin in the hope that our new masters will let us live.
For americans war is something you watch on tv. About one percent of the USA population has served in the “war on terror”. There is an 2016 article by dmitry orlov entitled “a thousand balls of flame”, that describes how the russians may respond to a non nuclear war with us. They plan to basically wreck our country; the electric grid, transportation hubs, financial centers. They will use sabotage. At least three million russians are already living in america. Do you think the fbi is watching them all the time?
“Do you think the fbi is watching them all the time?”
Not when there are so many conservative, white male gun owners to monitor.
Did they both desire victory, or did one desire victory and the other...not sure what it was it was supposed to be desiring?
Was one determined to conquer and the other...well...confused about what it was supposed to be doing...including which bathroom to use...and which gender pronoun would be appropriate...and...well you know what I mean...I mean...
So who won the war?
No foreign enemy could ever defeat the mighty USA. It could only be destroyed by enemies within. In the end, it was destroyed by moral, cultural, and spiritual rot.
That's exactly what the Left is--the Democrat Party--rot and decay--and it has America in its evil grip.
America's enemies are watching. They cannot believe their good fortune: that the worlds only superpower is destroying itself through internal moral, cultural, and spiritual rot and decay, that those in power are perfectly willing to sell America to the highest bidder--and the bidding doesn't have to be all that high.
Like hungry wolves, they smell weakness.
They know exactly what's going on inside the USA.
we should encourage US business to get out of China.
Especially areas involving our own safety and security like building war defense and pharmaceuticals.
When either attacks New Hampshire.
China? DUhhhh! Covid Bio weapon. Russia? Nothing...
If We want to fight Russians, we'll need to travel halfway around the globe to find 'em to fight.
Which has nothing to do with Ukraine and the plan hatched under the Obama administration to overthrow the existing government in 2014 and have Ukraine piss on Russia every chance it gets. All that resulted in rebellion in parts of Ukraine with the majority in some regions wanting to be part of Russia or independent.
It's the Obama/Deep State foreign policy that got us into this conflict with Russia.
This is a dispute about fish.
RE: , good old Pat - Unsurprising that he opposes all wars since his valiant service during the Vietnam War
Pat Buchanan does not believe that ANY WARS were or are worth fighting.
He even thought that our involvement in Europe to defeat the Nazis in WW2 was a mistake not worth the deaths of millions of men.
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