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Remember That Time ATF Suddenly Withdrew Guidance on Stabilizing Braces!?
AmmoLand ^ | 18 March, 2021 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 03/24/2021 7:25:49 AM PDT by marktwain

ATF Leadership 2020 Acting Director Regina Lombardo & Associate Deputy Director Marvin RichardsonATF Leadership 2020 Acting Director Regina Lombardo & Associate Deputy Director Marvin Richardson

Guidance on what constitutes  “stabilizing braces” was published by the ATF on 18 December 2020. The guidance seemed less than objective, with a “we will know it when we see it” quality.

Back on December 23rd, of 2020 in a dramatic reversal, the deputy director of the ATF Marvin RIchardson, signed a withdrawal of the guidance, only five days after the guidance was published. The guidance was withdrawn pending further Department of Justice review. Here is the concluding paragraph from atf.gov’s document:


Upon further consultation with the Department of Justice and the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, ATF is withdrawing, pending further Department of Justice review, the notice and request for comments entitled “Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with ‘Stabilizing Braces’,” that was published on December 18, 2020. 85 FR 82516. As explained in the notice, the proposed guidance was not a regulation. The notice informed and invited comment from the industry and public on a proposed guidance prior to issuing a final guidance document.

The withdrawal of the guidance does not change any law, regulation, or other legally binding requirement.

 

December 23, 2020                    Marvin G. Richardson

                                            Associate Deputy Director

It seems the Department of Justice (DOJ) was reminding the ATF who is the Boss. There was previous guidance from the DOJ to the ATF, not to change regulations without checking with the DOJ first.

Some might have interpreted this slap on the wrist by the DOJ as a reminder of the official pecking order, chain of command, hierarchical structure.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; doj; pistolbrace
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The ATF doesn't know which way to jump.

A good bureaucrat knows the best action, if uncertain, is to do nothing.

1 posted on 03/24/2021 7:25:49 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

A great bureaucrat know the best action, even if certain, is to do nothing whilst appearing to be very busy trying to do something.


2 posted on 03/24/2021 7:33:43 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: marktwain

Most agencies are run by lawyers. I think you can probably say the same for big corporations today as well as hospitals.


3 posted on 03/24/2021 7:41:38 AM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: marktwain
Like or dislike the NFA and the ATF, this is an example of how laws (mostly poorly written laws) get antiquated by advances in technology, engineering, or science.

This is the beauty of our constitution, written simply and concise, not 2000 pages of legalese. It conveys the intent without getting caught up in the details.

NFA was written before the many advances in firearms design, manufacturing techniques, and 'accessories' that we have today were developed. In fairness to ATF (not excusing them however), one has to apply an antiquated set of laws to a contemporary situation.

NFA should be set aside at this point. The idea that you can have an SBR or a full automatic weapon or a silencer (all are legal) if you pay a tax, but that otherwise you are not allowed to have them, is govt interference with an individual right. Just as relevant is that innovations such as pistols braces, bump stocks, and even clever use of rubber bands, makes the NFA laws impossible to objectively enforce.

But NFA wont be set aside anytime soon due to politics and power mad politicians.

4 posted on 03/24/2021 7:43:16 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: marktwain

How charming.

Mussolini’s daughter and The Agent from BLM, in charge of obliterating the Bill of Rights.

Well, I guess they got their grievances.

Anyway, we had a Republican President, House and Senate back in 2017-2018, what did they do about this entirely non-Constitutional agency full of wannabe dictators trying to write laws on their own?

Yup. Nada.

They could have closed it entirely. Feinstein would have zoomed around the room on her walker croaking loudly until her ChiCom driver calmed her down, but that’s about all. Regulate tobacco and alcohol? Who cares? Carrie Nation is long gone. The Democrats think Heroin chippers like Jack Dorsey are solid citizens. Who would worry about whisky and cigarettes?

So it would be a trade: Rats won’t mind getting rid of the A and T part, Stupid party hacks feel the same way about the F part.

But...they didn’t do it.

Guess it keeps the NRA in business, and leaves a political issue on the table...something to run on.

And we have the Dynamic Duo of Anti-Americans running the show there. A pot to stir for everyone!


5 posted on 03/24/2021 7:44:49 AM PDT by Regulator (It's Fraud, Jim)
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“stabilizing braces”

You mean, like a sand bag? Or a sling?

6 posted on 03/24/2021 7:50:38 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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Anyway, we had a Republican President, House and Senate back in 2017-2018, what did they do about this entirely non-Constitutional agency full of wannabe dictators trying to write laws on their own?

Yup. Nada.

You make it sound as if Republicans were a monolithic entity controlled by President Trump.

In fact, a large number of Republicans in DC were members of the Progressive ruling class, doing everything they could to stop President Trump from enacting his policies.

Quite a few of those RINOs have been purged.

President Trump would have gotten rid of Obamacare, except for the vote of traitorous McCain.

7 posted on 03/24/2021 7:53:23 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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It's not an intentional impression, but as a lot of people point out, bumpstocks got on the Bad Boy List under Trump.

I don't blame Trump for one bit of anything. No President has ever been besieged like he was. Even Nixon didn't get mau-mau’d until the second term. With Trump, they started before the election and they haven't quit yet. Total annhiliation of the opposition is their plan.

If I were to suggest the guilty parties, that would be Turtle and Eddy Munster. Those two are so pathetic, it's breathtaking. McCain we all knew was crazy. But the two "leaders" drove the agenda. They could have done something about perennial American concerns like ATF.

But...they didn't. And now we have an outright Communist Junta government, fresh off their coup. They won't make the same mistake.

8 posted on 03/24/2021 8:08:05 AM PDT by Regulator (It's Fraud, Jim)
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To: Psalm 73
Pistol braces. AR-15 and AK-47 pistols are often fitted with braces that come pretty close to being buttstocks.


9 posted on 03/24/2021 8:23:44 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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glocks have a great brace that makes it easy to charge the weapon and carry extra mags, MCK micro conversion


10 posted on 03/24/2021 8:56:27 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: gundog

I’ve shot and seen lots of others shoot AR pistols. I’ve never seen anyone who used this hand brace in any other way than as a shoulder stock.


11 posted on 03/24/2021 9:13:01 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Magnum44
Like or dislike the NFA and the ATF, this is an example of how laws (mostly poorly written laws) get antiquated by advances in technology, engineering, or science.

Mostly agree, but there were pistol braces or stocks in WWII and earlier.


12 posted on 03/24/2021 9:32:30 AM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: marktwain

If the ATF doesn’t have people to kill and innocents to frame they ain’t happy. Can anyone point to a single crime involving “stabilizing braces?”


13 posted on 03/24/2021 9:43:09 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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It appears the current Islamic Sudden Jihad Syndrome in Colorado used one.

But, he could of obtained a rifle more easily. He had to wait until he was 21 to purchase a pistol with a stabilizing brace.

14 posted on 03/24/2021 9:45:07 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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To: Organic Panic

Johnny Abdul in boulder have the dems the great gift of not only was he using an evil black gun it had the scary brace thingy too. It’s almost as if it was planned to be this way. Now they can go at ARs and braces at the same time. Pay no mind this is the religion of peace again.


15 posted on 03/24/2021 9:50:42 AM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: marktwain

Bttt


16 posted on 03/24/2021 10:07:05 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there..)
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To: Regulator

“Anyway, we had a Republican President, House and Senate back in 2017-2018, what did they do about this entirely non-Constitutional agency full of wannabe dictators trying to write laws on their own?”

But they did do something! They allowed the ATF to make bump stocks illegal, after the ATF made a specific ruling that they were legal, without Congress changing any laws! That’s quite an accomplishment.


17 posted on 03/24/2021 12:34:28 PM PDT by suthener
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Yeah. Lotta people remember that...think Trump thought he had to go along with that for political reasons after Las Vegas, but he shouldn’t have.


18 posted on 03/24/2021 2:00:25 PM PDT by Regulator (It's Fraud, Jim)
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To: JD_UTDallas

WOW. I stand corrected. I have never heard of ANY crime with a “wrist brace”

This is truly stupid. As if Achmed would not have killed people without a wrist brace.

I need a beer. or two. or three. I don’t recognize the world I live in .


19 posted on 03/24/2021 6:10:54 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: marktwain

Again i stand corrected. Of all the stupid accessories to focus on... Heck. My wrist rocket is now a “weapon of war.”


20 posted on 03/24/2021 6:11:38 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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