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Can Liberalism Survive Science? This progressive assault on reality -- all while shouting “I believe in science” -- is a wonder to behold
American Thinker ^ | 03/19/2021 | John Conlin

Posted on 03/19/2021 7:12:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

So, you believe in science, eh? Excellent, so do I. At the core of this science-thinking is the acceptance of the fact that there is reality. Thus, there are a finite number of things which are true and an infinite number of things which aren’t -- and our beliefs, opinions, and desires have no impact on this.

All “science-folks” accept these as rather self-evident truths -- yet many of these same people also profess to holding liberal views -- even though modern progressivism is premised on many things which simple aren’t true -- which contradict reality.

This isn’t a political or philosophical issue but rather a reality issue.

Let start with their insistence on classifying and grouping individuals -- the only real unit of humanity -- based on a handful of traits or behaviors and acting as though these groups -- their own creation -- are actually real in some physical sense.

Black, white, people of color, rich, poor, Hispanic, Latino, Latinx, conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat, gay, straight, Trump-supporters, Trump-haters, left-handed, right-handed -- these groupings of individuals are almost endless.

They then “give” these imaginary groups motives, emotions, beliefs, action, and life. If the creators “like” the group, these all will be framed in a positive light. If the groups are “bad,” they will be framed in a negative light.

In effect they act as little gods who have the ability to shape reality. Where they obtained this power is never revealed.

At is core though, the basis for all these groups is rooted in circular logic where the only consistent fact for every member is that they are part of this group. Blacks are black because they are black. Whites are white because they are white. And on and on it goes.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: leftism; liberalism; progressivism; science

1 posted on 03/19/2021 7:12:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually the quesion is “Can Science Survice Liberalism ?”.

Right now the answer is no !


2 posted on 03/19/2021 7:16:15 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

Nothing can survive what is now called liberalism, which btw would not have been called liberalism by those that founded this country.


3 posted on 03/19/2021 7:29:44 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seeing all the recent gaslighting coming from American Thinker I believe they were in on the steal too!


4 posted on 03/19/2021 7:31:53 AM PDT by 100%FEDUP (I'm seeing RED!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Science” — particularly medical science and meteorology — has devolved into “political science” where opinion carries far more weight than do data, facts and the scientific method.


5 posted on 03/19/2021 7:32:13 AM PDT by glennaro ("Until it's safe" means "never" (Dennis Prager))
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To: SeekAndFind

“Thus, there are a finite number of things which are true...” I will quit reading there since the writer is starts with an incorrect premise.

He exhibits poor logic, philosophy, theology, and science. Science is the art of discovering truth. Man’ s entire existence has been propelled by discovering new truth.

In an infinite world there will be infinite truth. There is not a limited number of things that are true.


6 posted on 03/19/2021 7:49:49 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety

You chastise his logic and then state that you live in an infinite world?

Maybe you should start with an understanding of what “infinite” actually means. Neither the world nor the universe are infinite.


7 posted on 03/19/2021 7:54:49 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: SeekAndFind
The left uses "Science!" the same way and for the same reasons as it uses so many other things - it (the left) is all about the acquisition and use of power. That is it, that is the sum total of the left's true "care about" list - power and the control that comes with it.

To that end, the left will use, abuse, and simply lie about "science" the same way they use so many other tools - charges of racism, sexism, ageism, homophobia, greed, etc. Or they'll grab an issue and run with it, environment, global warming / climate change, whatever issue du-jour is. How about all those statues of Civil War era leaders? Whatever happened to them? Are they all gone now? Streets renamed, schools renamed, mascots thoroughly whitewashed... Oops, maybe that phrase is racist today, or will be tomorrow...

All those artificial divisions and partitioning of people into demographic groups is done for the sole purpose of playing one off against the other. All the drop-dead must-solve issues, so quickly launched into the spotlight and just as quickly forgotten... They all share one common trait, one purpose. The left uses them to hold peoples' attention. These things are the shinny object in the magician's hand, while the real trick is taking place somewhere else.

The left wants power and control. They can either take that power and control by force, or they will find some way to trick people into simply giving them the power and control they so desire. To accomplish the second path to power, they must control your attention, control the message, control the entire dialog. Ten years ago, did anyone really care about statues? Did anyone worry about how many genders there are? Do you think it is because we're so much more evolved now? That there's nothing else we as human being should be working on? No, of course not. These kinds of things are pure distraction. Utterly meaningless in the greater scheme of things. Yet they each are being used in attempts to control us.

8 posted on 03/19/2021 7:56:43 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Biden/Harris - illegitimate and everyone knows it.)
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To: SeekAndFind
If the creators “like” the group, these all will be framed in a positive light. If the groups are “bad,” they will be framed in a negative light.

I realize that the desire to be a part of the "In-crowd" is stronger than I ever thought before. That's what so many want: to be hip, to be cool, to be a part of the "In-crowd".

9 posted on 03/19/2021 8:10:47 AM PDT by libertylover (Many people who want to destroy us have bumper stickers on their cars that say: "Coexist".)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Math is ray-ciss!”

~Barbie


10 posted on 03/19/2021 8:11:49 AM PDT by dynachrome ("I will not be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Reily
Actually the quesion is “Can Science Survice Liberalism ?”.

It will, but it may take a while. You can outrun and fool Mother Nature for a while, but Father Time WILL catch up to you.

As far as fooling Mother Nature for a while, Addadicktome operations are an example.

11 posted on 03/19/2021 8:15:03 AM PDT by libertylover (Many people who want to destroy us have bumper stickers on their cars that say: "Coexist".)
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To: SeekAndFind

And don’t forget that the science of DNA would prove that a mother and her preborn child are INDIVIDUAL humans.


12 posted on 03/19/2021 8:17:17 AM PDT by libertylover (Many people who want to destroy us have bumper stickers on their cars that say: "Coexist".)
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To: SeekAndFind
The foundation of science is Truth--Truth for its own sake, wherever and however it presents itself.

"Progressivism" (or "liberalism", the left, the "woke" generation, whatever you call it), which is itself a consequence of the decadence of Western Civilisation, has only contempt for Truth.

In fact, contempt for Truth is the evil most fundamental to the decadence.

"Progressivism" and Truth are incompatible and mutually exclusive. So are "progressivism" and science.

13 posted on 03/19/2021 8:34:24 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Dhritarashtra reigns! Duryodhana and Duhshasa rule! Truth-seekers be damned!)
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To: libertylover

Yes “science” will be the practice of science likely will not.


14 posted on 03/19/2021 8:37:18 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

Typo

Science will but the practice of science likely will not .


15 posted on 03/19/2021 8:39:02 AM PDT by Reily
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To: hopespringseternal

The universe is infinite. It was created by an infinite God.


16 posted on 03/19/2021 8:57:58 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: libertylover

So true. It may indeed take some time. The Romans were great scientists and engineers. We are just now rediscovering some of their secrets to making structural concrete.

The world lost “science” to the irrational masses when the Roman empire collapsed. There followed a thousand years of Dark ages, when no one could ever repair the roads the Romans built, must less build stone houses with steam heat in Britain.

Yes, science will prevail, even if it takes a thousand years. We just won’t be here when it does. ;-)


17 posted on 03/19/2021 9:18:55 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them wthaith a pitchfork!)
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To: SeekAndFind
The author has three complaints: (1) the rejection of an objective reality; (2) the collectivist model of social analysis; and (3) the misuse of state resources to force fantasy-world models of behavior. These are all long conversations, well beyond the limitations of a single article on the Internet.

He is correct about the first point being fundamental to science - science simply doesn't work if the practitioner is mired in "there is no reality" or "reality is whatever we agree on" or "reality is a social construct". In fact, however, what we are dealing with is "reality is whatever I say it is", which is quite a different proposition. That does avoid the solipsistic nonsense of the others but gets a bit messy when the speaker insists that cardboard has the tensile strength of steel because he or she says so and automobiles begin tumbling off bridges as a consequence. The cold water you end up swimming in is reality and you can't wish it away.

However, absent the current political passions for authoritarianism none of the rest is particularly harmful except to the believer. It cannot be a legitimate function of state to protect citizens from reality because it isn't even possible, and to attempt it leads to violence and totalitarianism in the name of safety.

18 posted on 03/19/2021 10:11:01 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill; libertylover
Their latest assault on human reality is their strange fascination -- bordering on obsession -- with the mental disorder of gender dysphoria, or as it is more commonly called, transgenderism. Yet the science on this is clear: there is no such thing as a transgendered person. They don’t and can’t exist. This is a mental issue, not a physical one.

Until we stop speaking with liberals as if these groups do exist, we will continue to lose.

I present to you a growing medical practice based on this make-believe that mutililates and ruins confused or trend-chasing young people for life, all legally with a carefully crafted facade of ethics and professionalism:

Vanderbilt Clinic for Transgender Health

Discipline a bratty kid in public and find yourself with child-abuse charges. Let your deluded youth go to one of these butcher shops and be hailed a progressive hero. End times.

19 posted on 03/21/2021 7:01:15 AM PDT by MikelTackNailer (1.You open the pants. 2.Look down in the pants. 3.That's what you are.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
He exhibits poor logic, philosophy, theology, and science

In other words, he publishes in the American Thinker.

20 posted on 03/21/2021 7:05:19 AM PDT by Jim Noble (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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