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John Lennon Oct 9, 1940 – Dec 8, 1980
Townhall.com ^ | December 8, 2020 | Derek Hunter

Posted on 12/08/2020 4:31:47 AM PST by Kaslin

I’ve always been interested in World War II, but really only the war in Europe. The war in the Pacific, though equally as important to world history, just never grabbed me. Maybe it’s because of the movies “Patton” and “Saving Private Ryan” and the lack of an equivalent movie in the other theater? I don’t really know why, it just is. The whole thing happened a lifetime before I was born, but something about it captured my imagination, which is how imagination works – you don’t have to have been a part of something for that something to be a part of you. Such is the case with John Lennon, who was murdered on this date in 1980.

The Beatles weren’t together in my lifetime, I’d just started forming lifelong memories when John was killed (though I have no memory of it because I was too young to know who he was). My parents were Elvis fans, anyway. But Beatles music, and John’s, has become as much a part of my life as it is to anyone screamed at the TV set watching The Ed Sullivan Show on February 9, 1964.

The Beatles were the very definition of a group; without any one of them there would not have been any of them. There was just something about them together, and that something carried each of them long after they broke up. Whether John was the “leader” or not is something some people still argue about to this day, but it is irrelevant. If Ringo Starr weren’t playing the drums, or George Harrison on guitar, or Paul McCartney on bass, John Lennon would be a retired factory worker somewhere.

Why did those four people together change music and, in many ways, the world? Books have been written about it, seminars held, someone is probably arguing on social media somewhere about it right now.

The question of “why them?” is something I can’t explain beyond the obvious, and I think correct, answer: they were damn good.

Not only were the songs some of the best ever written, you have to view them in context to understand just how different they were form everything else. At the end of the 1950s/beginning of the 1960s, Elvis had been drafted, leaving music for a while and returning as a crooner/movie star. His rock and roll days were over, at least until 1968’s comeback special. Buddy Holly, a true pioneer who, unlike most contemporaries, wrote and produced his own music, had died in a plane crash. Eddie Cochran died in a car crash, Little Richard had left music for religion, Chuck Berry was in prison for bringing a 14-year-old girl across state lines for “immoral purposes,” and Jerry Lee Lewis was a pariah for marrying his 13-year-old cousin.

Rock and roll was dead in every way except as a label. Crooners packaged by record labels were called rock and roll, but they weren’t anything close to it. Think what you will of groups like Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons, their music is very catchy (and I enjoy it), but it’s not what comes to mind when you think of rock and roll.

Yet, that’s what dominated the U.S. charts and radio in the early 60s. The month before the Sullivan show the Billboard charts featured acts like Bobby Vinton, The Murmaids, Bobby Rydell, and the Singing Nun. Picture any song by any of those artists, then hear “I Wanna Hold Your Hand” in your head. That’s what changed – The Beatles brought rock back to rock music.

By April of that year, The Beatles has 14 songs in the top 100, including the top 5 slots, and the top 2 albums in the country. No one has come close to that kind of chart domination.

There really isn’t a moment of any of their lives that hasn’t been documented by someone at this point, most presidents haven’t had as many biographies written about them.

At the time of his murder 40 years ago tonight, John was back on top after a 5-year break from recording. He’d become a father again, more mature and unencumbered by Beatlemania, he threw himself into it this time. But all loaves of bread he baked didn’t quiet the songs in his head. And the country loved those song, the “Double Fantasy” record.

Through the mania, the insanity, the drugs, the everything that happens to a person when, in their early 20s they’d had the whole world want a piece of them, he’d finally gotten his life together. Then he was murdered.

We can all wonder what he would have done had he lived, whether they would’ve gotten the band back together or whatever. None of that really matters because it’s impossible now. What we do know is a wife lost a husband, two boys lost a father, and the world lost someone who’d provided at least a song or two to the soundtrack of every life that came, or will come, after it. No deranged assassin can take that away.


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1 posted on 12/08/2020 4:31:47 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
40 years old when he died.

Killed 40 years ago today.

2 posted on 12/08/2020 4:37:25 AM PST by HandBasketHell
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To: Kaslin

I was a teen when he was murdered, and it completely shocked me.


3 posted on 12/08/2020 4:38:29 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Kaslin
In high school, I tried to 'comfort' a girl who was truly devastated by this news. Wasn't able to 'comfort' her as much as I wanted. 8~)

We still maintained a friendship, and I saw that she actually travelled to London to witness William and Kate's wedding.

4 posted on 12/08/2020 4:45:01 AM PST by real saxophonist ("Congress Shall Make No Law..." They should have stopped right there.)
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To: Kaslin
Whenever I visit NYC I try to hit Central Park and when I do I usually pass by "Strawberry Fields".There are always people there regardless of weather or time of day.

Once I went up to the big gate at The Dakota where the two security guards stand.I tried to get them to talk about the day but they wouldn't. I'm not sure if they actually knew nothing or were required to remain silent.

5 posted on 12/08/2020 4:45:06 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (BLM Stands For "Bidens Loot Millions"!)
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Never liked them and I grew with that music.


6 posted on 12/08/2020 4:46:22 AM PST by Doofer ( )
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To: real saxophonist

Impressive...I wonder if she was on the guest list. The closest I’ve gotten to the Beatles was touring Liverpool and seeing “Strawberry Fields” and the bus shelter where they got a “fish and finger pie”....and also visiting Abbey Road Studios.


7 posted on 12/08/2020 4:48:15 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (BLM Stands For "Bidens Loot Millions"!)
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To: Kaslin
I will repeat what I posted yesterday in commenting about Bob Dylan

It's a silly argument to try and prove who was the "best" group of all time. It's all very subjective. I can't convince anyone like the Beatles more than anyone can convince to like Rap pre rock n roll pop music. You either like the music or you don't. If you don't like the Beatles, then don't listen to them. It's as simple as that. It's funny some people can't seem to grasp that simple concept and come off sounding like some angry old fart braying at the moon about the dangers of rock n roll, but I digress

But what is objective and provable is the influence the Beatles had on all modern music. They have, by far, outsold all other artists and have developed a following by the grandchildren of those who first them on Ed Sullivan in 1964. They only had a 7 year run but millennial artists today cite the Beatles as one of their major influences. In addition to Dylan, they may be the most covered artists of modern times.

8 posted on 12/08/2020 4:50:53 AM PST by Sir_Humphrey (Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people -Socrates)
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To: Kaslin

He was a great talent and is much missed Double Fantasy was the last LP I bought. Recall well that fateful Monday Night and Howard Cosell making the announcement.


9 posted on 12/08/2020 4:54:21 AM PST by Jolla
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To: Sir_Humphrey

Muzak certainly loved them.


10 posted on 12/08/2020 4:56:14 AM PST by Rebelbase (A COVID misanthrope.)
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To: Kaslin

Imagine if there’s no heaven...


11 posted on 12/08/2020 4:57:09 AM PST by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: Kaslin
I first heard about John Lennon's murder while watching Monday Night Football. I believe it was Howard Cosell who broke the news.

The next morning at my college class, the teacher walked in and without saying a word, went to the blackboard and wrote:

RIP John
12 posted on 12/08/2020 4:58:48 AM PST by Dan in Wichita
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To: Gay State Conservative
Not sure about that. She posted a lot of pictures of them on the balcony, and in the parade.

And actually as I type this, the news is running a story about this anniversary.

13 posted on 12/08/2020 4:59:25 AM PST by real saxophonist ("Congress Shall Make No Law..." They should have stopped right there.)
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To: Sir_Humphrey

It defined a place and a time in history and in our lives. What if George martin were not in the picture? This is where they moved above everyone and everything else at this time.


14 posted on 12/08/2020 5:01:20 AM PST by ronnie raygun ( Massive mistakes are made by arrogant fools; massive evils are committed by evil people.")
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To: Sir_Humphrey

It defined a place and a time in history and in our lives. What if George martin were not in the picture? This is where they moved above everyone and everything else at this time.


15 posted on 12/08/2020 5:01:20 AM PST by ronnie raygun ( Massive mistakes are made by arrogant fools; massive evils are committed by evil people.")
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To: Kaslin
I still remember. John got himself mixed up in politics, which is why certain members of the government didn't want him as a citizen. But he won that fight, got the perfect birthday gift in Sean, and took five years to refocus on what really mattered.

But one man decided to take him away from us.

And we've never been the same.

16 posted on 12/08/2020 5:12:09 AM PST by Houmatt (What isn't decided in court will be at the point of a gun. )
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To: Sir_Humphrey
I'm not old enough to remember the Beatles.

I never "got" their music even years later. There will never be another band like the Allman Brothers, in my humble opinion.

"A Day In The Life" is an epic classic, though.

17 posted on 12/08/2020 5:23:49 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("There's somebody new and he sure ain't no rodeo man.")
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To: Kaslin
As I recall hearing, the reason the Beatles had so many songs in the Top 100 at the same time was because they recorded for many different labels before they became popular in the states, and all of the labels cashed in on the sudden popularity by releasing the 45's in the US at the same time.

Remember how many different labels there were on the Beatles singles released in 1964? After that, it was all Capitol Records until Apple Records took over.

18 posted on 12/08/2020 5:25:35 AM PST by Bernard (No tag today. Maybe tomorrow.)
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To: Kaslin

I recall the day after quite very well. Regular TV programming even in my locale was preempted to cover the crowds that gathered in NYC to express their grief and shock over the senseless murder.


19 posted on 12/08/2020 5:26:51 AM PST by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966 )
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To: Kaslin

Didn’t get to see the Beatles (John was always my favorite), but did get to see Lennon at the One to One concert for Willowbrook in Madison Sq. Garden.
Also went to the Bangadesh concert at the Garden, so got to see Harrison - Ringo was at that one. Later on saw McCartney. So I guess I’ve seen the Beatles, just not as the Beatles.
I remember hearing on the radio about Lennon being shot. He was a great talent with a lot of personal problems and I think he was finally starting to get his life together when he was killed.


20 posted on 12/08/2020 5:31:13 AM PST by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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