Posted on 11/21/2020 8:40:36 PM PST by Reno89519
[HE SPIED ON AMERICA. That should have resulted in his execution. Never should he be forgiven or excused.]
He did not really spy on America, he just spied for isreal. I know some will say it is the same but is really not. The things he did were not intended to hurt America but to help Israel. What he did was wrong and he deserved to go to jail, but did not deserve to be executed.
Now john walker on the other hand should have been executed along with several other spies from the 80s and 90s, it is amazing how little time some of them received.
How is giving Israel info about Arab nations “treason”? Re-read the definition of treason in the Constitution; Pollard’s actions were neither making war against the USA nor adhering to the nation’s enemies, giving them aid and comfort, whatever else they were.
I haven’t forgotten your bellyaching about the USS Liberty when you first came on this forum. That made you no friends here either. Better stop acting like Israel’s our enemy.
Yes, loyal Americans defend American and our soldiers and sailors. You have a problem with that? Are you a treasonous traitor as well?
I think you got lost on the way to another forum. Too bad; I got the impression you learned quite a bit here. Throwing around accusations of treason that aren’t based on the Constitutional definition are the opposite of what this forum stands for, as is attempting to drive wedges between the USA and its allies.
Actually, I think they all got life, except for Michael. There were other spies, like Boyce and Lee too.
When I was in Vietnam, (1970) USAF pilots told me that the commies seemed to always know exactly where their air strikes would be. I didn’t really take it seriously, till the Walker spy ring was exposed. It is certainly possible, the Walker spy ring, allowed the Russians to tip off the North Vietnamese, as to what would be hit next. That got pilots killed.
While I believe Pollard deserved to do time, we still have evil, scum sucking a$$ hole slime bags, like Obama, Biden, Hildebeast, John F’n Kerry, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, and a host of others, who will never see the inside of a jail cell, that they so richly deserve. That bothers me.
“How is giving Israel info about Arab nations “treason”?”
I don’t think it works that way. A person can’t decide on his own what national secrets to share with countries around the world, even friendly ones. He knew his actions were illegal.
We determined the source of the leaks: the offices of a US Senator.
The information went from the office, to a member of the press (we used to call them), to the North Vietnamese.
Pollard will enjoy a brief, minor celebrity in Israel, but uhwith no future except for the burdens of aging in an unfamiliar land.
“I don’t think it works that way. A person can’t decide on his own what national secrets to share with countries around the world, even friendly ones. He knew his actions were illegal.”
Yep. Allies or not, we are two countries which do not have identical interests at all times. I think it is quite dangerous to apply an (name your ally) exception to US intelligence assets who have a religious or ethnic attachment to the ally. I would go so far as to say that anyone wanting to work for our intelligence services needs to have allegiance to one country only. This one.
Let my memory try to recall some things about the Rosenbergs and Morton Sobell, Pollard’s actions, etc.
I assume all of us didn’t want Saddam to get a nuclear weapon so the Israelis took out the Osirik Reactor complex for us (and themselves). Could the US have given Israel some intelligence on what was going on there and how to target the facility? I’m betting “Yes” on this.
You know damned well based on Benghazi and the Obama betrayals of our men there, the delays in killing Bin Laden and Suleimani (by Obama and his bunch of cowards and traitors), Obama’s $150 Billion deal with Iran 9which we still don’t know much about), the Democrats opposition to the Freedom Fighters in Nicaragua against the Ortega Marxist dictatorship there (Sen. Kerry, Dodd, Harkin etc), some Democrats recent if not present support for Marxist dictators Chavez and Maduro in Venezuela, Obama’s failure to listen to our military leaders about destroying ISIS early on in Iraq (which led to us losing hundreds of brave American soldiers plus tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and soldiers in genocidal executions), etc that the Democrats were as guilty of protecting Soviet espionage and US traitors as anyone who committed those acts.
None of these Democrats ever were charged with treason. How about Sen. Feinstein protecting a Red Chinese spy she had hired as her aide and chauffeur? We have at least two Red Chinese assets in the Congress right now, admitted “Daughter of China” Rep. Judy Chu, from the old maoist “Communist Workers Party”, and Rep. Grace Meng, and a suspected third one in Rep. Ted Lieu.
Several US representatives and Senators hired known communists and/or known sympathizers on their staffs and tried to get some on congressional committees (or as witnesses - Rep. Parren Mitchell (D-Md), an old red, reportedly got identified CPUSA member and Soviet spy to testify before a congressional committee; Rep. George Brown (d-CA) hired known castroite-Latin American Marxist Cynthia Aronson as a staffer; Marxist Rep. Ron Dellums (D-CA) hired Grenadian Marxist dictator’s lover, Carliotta Scott, for his staff as well as Marxist now Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA) as his top staffer, etc.
None of them were investigated or convicted of aiding and abetting the Soviet Union, Red China, Communist Cuba, Communist-ruled Nicaragua, supporting the Marxist FLMN in El Salvador, Marxist/Cuban DGI/Soviet ally Salvador Allende - Chile - the (voter corruption and fraud king of So. America, etc.
Re the Rosenbergs and Sobell. They Rosenbergs and Sobell were convicted of war-time spying, not peacetime spying for the Soviet Union. That is why two of them were executed and Sobell got 30 years, after which he was released and admitted that he was both a CPUSA member and a Soviet spy. If you do some digging on Sobell and his wives, friends, and professional scientific colleagues in DC, you will find a whole clan of Communist Party USA members involved in both peacetime and wartime espionage for the Soviet Union.
This story is not yet finished, and it took place with a few miles of FDR’s White House (which had plenty of Soviet spies in it - Currie, Hiss, possibly Harry Hopkins (definitely pro-Soviet asset, Lattimore, etc).
Pollard was wrong in giving Israel classified US information but according to what I have read in open sourced materials, it was for Israel’s defense against an Arab “Nuclear Troika” (Iran, Iraq and Syria), not to harm the U.S. In fact, it helped protect US ships and forces in the Middle East from a devastating surprise attack with nukes in the future.
Pollard served more time than most murderers, esp. today under the new Marxist “social justice” programs now going into effect with deadly consequences. We do not have to condone what he did and can condemn him, but there is literally no evidence that he ever betrayed America to our enemies despite what Casper Milktoast Weinberger claimed. (I will stand corrected if anyone can provide such evidence, not “claims or rantings” of Casper.
Just thought I’d add a little background information to the discussion. I was lucky enough to be mentored (as a journalist), by people who were involved in many of the events mentioned above, esp. regarding Soviet espionage in the U.S. This has given me a tremendous insight into how complex and largely unwritten the story of Soviet/CPUSA espionage was and still is in the U.S. despite the great Venona Papers, Operation SOLO (also the name of John Barron’s book), published materials on Soviet espionage in the US since the 1920’s.
As the Carpenters sang “We’ve Only Just Begun” to explore what really happened over the past 100 years of Soviet espionage and American Communist acts of treason.
It wasn’t, per chance, a senator named Ted, from Massachusetts, was it?
He served over 28 years in prison in for this crime, and has completed his parole. Like it or not, you can’t legally keep him here. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
👍 And then there was Kim Philby. The Brits had problems too.
Any betrayal of trust is just that. I worked in the IPC in Tel Aviv in my first assignment for the Department of State for two years. Pollard is used as an example of treason. Only the State Department has what is called a COMSEC Clearance which is Top Secret. In fact to complete training as an information management specialist (an actual foreign service specialist on par with a foreign service officer or one of America’ vaunted 15,000 authorized diplomatic personnel).
This guy was not just your run of the mil (pun) spy; Pollard was also a commissioned naval officer and seasoned veteran of of the intelligence community. He acted with full knowledge of his actions. Make no mistake this type of behavior can and oftentimes does result in changing history.
Pollard is a practicing Jew thus he was ripe for pickings by Israeli intelligence. He is a case study in why it hard to trust people with dual allegiances.
It is my belief that President Trump intervened perhaps because of Jarrad’s “dual allegiances. Pollard’s release must have come with some concessions from Israel - most likely for actionable intelligence on sitting members of the US Senate, Congress and business that will help break the election fraud case Trump is facing. American Jews in the Senate and Congress serve in large numbers in those bodies. Some of Trump’s major opponents from the DNC are of Jewish descent.
Pollard is important to Israel.
Pollard was a career intelligence employee who was also commissioned in our armed force - do not for one minute disparage the Oath of Commission and his treason with that of simple criminals.
We also share actionable intelligence on wartime efforts through international bodies as came to light about Soviet Officers being briefed by NATO in Brussels or Paris as I recall from some of the declassified books.
I'm in my 70's and with my Biblical knowledge, I could happily spend my waning years in a very familiar land.
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