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Trump issues order for some career federal employees to lose their civil service protections
The Washington Post via SF Gate ^ | October 22, 2020 | by Eric Yoder, The Washington Post

Posted on 10/23/2020 4:22:31 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Career federal employees whose work involves making policy would no longer be hired under competitive procedures and would lose their civil service protections from being fired as well as eligibility to be represented by a union, under an executive order that President Donald Trump issued Wednesday.

The order would shift those employees from what is called the "competitive service"-covering the bulk of the 2.1 million executive branch employees-into the "excepted service," which in general applies to political appointees below the level requiring Senate confirmation.

"This is the most profound undermining of the civil service in our lifetimes," American Federation of Government Employees president Everett Kelley said in a statement. "The president has doubled down on his effort to politicize and corrupt the professional service."

"This executive order strips due process rights and protections from perhaps hundreds of thousands of federal employees and will enable political appointees and other officials to hire and fire these workers at will," he said.

Trump said his order will "give agencies greater ability and discretion to assess critical qualities in applicants to fill these positions, such as work ethic, judgment, and ability to meet the particular needs of the agency."

Among career employees, the "excepted service" mainly applies only in positions in which it is not practical to use competitive processes in hiring, such as administrative law judges and attorneys. Agencies also have greater disciplining such employees.

The order tells agencies to conduct an initial review within three months, and a full review within seven months, of their positions "of a confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating character not normally subject to change as a result of a Presidential transition."

Agencies then are to ask the Office of Personnel Management to move those positions into a newly created category of the excepted service.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election2020; federalworkers; publicservice; swamp
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You can be a public servant or a union member, but not both.

The unionizing or public employees should have never been legal. JFK’s legacy.


21 posted on 10/23/2020 5:06:52 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

My first thought was of Fauci. Second thought was of Birx.


22 posted on 10/23/2020 5:12:27 AM PDT by AFB-XYZ (Option 1 -- stand up. Option 2 -- bend over.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

All that needs to be done is move all federal offices to Nome, AK. You get a cot, phone, computer terminal and a prefilled in resignation letter.


23 posted on 10/23/2020 5:12:28 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (spooks won on day 76)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Good. We don’t need those creatures creaking down the halls.


24 posted on 10/23/2020 5:13:26 AM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It’s kind of a misnomer anyway. Clinton got rid of Linda Tripp when she blew the whistle on him


25 posted on 10/23/2020 5:14:14 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“This is the most profound undermining of the civil service in our lifetimes,”

Undermining the swamp is one way to drain it.


26 posted on 10/23/2020 5:16:36 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: Gen.Blather

I left out “buddy”. Brain fart. Or Byedone moment.


27 posted on 10/23/2020 5:20:10 AM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: HighSierra5

“I left out “buddy”. Brain fart. Or Byedone moment.”

This happens to me so frequently, I have been prescribed 500 mg Damitol, one per day.


28 posted on 10/23/2020 5:25:18 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud?)
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To: jz638
Thank you for the info. This is certainly the right thing to do and a huge leap in the right direction. Perhaps PDJT will take time to do the more complete overhaul you suggest, or hire another to do so, in his second term.


29 posted on 10/23/2020 5:25:45 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Every day is like watching a cage match, where POTUS whoops up on the swamp.

I used to be a federal employee, and most of those I worked with were awesome people. But there are some that knew they were untouchable, and acted accordingly.


30 posted on 10/23/2020 5:30:26 AM PDT by Preachin' (I stand with many voters who will never vote for a pro abortion candidate.)
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To: moovova

I was just sixteen years old, but I’ll never forget seeing Reagan fire the air traffic controllers. That was a powerful statement!!


31 posted on 10/23/2020 5:34:16 AM PDT by Preachin' (I stand with many voters who will never vote for a pro abortion candidate.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“.... will enable political appointees and other officials to hire and fire these workers at will,...”

The real world operates like this. This should be done to the USPS, Trump should break the USPS union, break all public unions.


32 posted on 10/23/2020 5:34:54 AM PDT by Oneanddone
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To: HarleyD

I worked in a Federal government position and never joined the union.

Even “conservative-leaning” government entities lean heavily Left, as evidenced by union involvement rates over 85-90%.


33 posted on 10/23/2020 5:45:39 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

As a former federal employee, those ‘who make policy’, are not the worker bees. These are those that decide how things are run, aka upper level MANAGEMENT. These folks were NOT offered union memberships, when I was a federal employee.

I applaud the order!!


34 posted on 10/23/2020 5:49:01 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: ConservativeMind

I in-processed in 2010, for a fed job in Arlington, VA. At the end of the 4-hour session....came the union rep. Twelve of us in the room till that point. We were given the option to leave. All twelve of us (former US military) got up and walked out. No one stayed for the union speech. Within the organization...I would guess and say fewer than 5-percent were union members.

I left after 3.5 years. It was a decent job, but the amount of regulations left you hand-cuffed and simply doubled the amount of effort you had to do....to make anything successfully work.


35 posted on 10/23/2020 5:53:00 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This is long overdue.

It is President Trump restoring some of the executive power to the President from the Deep State.

36 posted on 10/23/2020 5:53:42 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Preachin'

I was also young but remember when HST ‘threatened’ the previously draft exempt Railway workers with being PVT in US Army if they didn’t go back to work.


37 posted on 10/23/2020 5:58:16 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98"HRC is the Grandmother that lures Hansel & Gretel to the pot")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Beautiful. Would be fabulous to see.


38 posted on 10/23/2020 5:59:51 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Love your enemies. Turn the other cheek.)
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To: xrmusn

That’s pretty awesome, too. They didn’t teach that in my high school.


39 posted on 10/23/2020 6:08:57 AM PDT by Preachin' (I stand with many voters who will never vote for a pro abortion candidate.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“This executive order strips due process rights and protections from perhaps hundreds of thousands of federal employees and will enable political appointees and other officials to hire and fire these workers at will,” he said.”

Yes. We elect a new government every time we elect new Presidents and a new Congress and we expect the elected government to be in charge, not the bureaucrats.

Current civil service rules give too many civil servants near life time tenure just because they got in, and the elected government is told to leave them alone, let them run things. It’ stupid.

But it is the “progressive” ideal - rule by the experts, not by folks the people elect to rule.


40 posted on 10/23/2020 6:11:18 AM PDT by Wuli
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