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The American People Need To Know What Joe Biden Knows About His Family’s Profits From China
The Federalist ^ | October 5, 2020 | Ben Weingarten

Posted on 10/05/2020 11:35:24 AM PDT by Kaslin

Disturbing questions emerge from a joint Senate report on the Biden family’s dealings with America’s greatest adversary.

Given the grave threat posed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), especially near an election and in an era in which fears of foreign influence are at an all-time high, one might think revelations about the family of Democratic nominee Joe Biden cashing in on Communist China while he was vice president might be a “big [expletive] deal,” in the cellar-dwelling candidate’s words.

Yet the media and political class have completely blacked out these newly released facts. This was on display during the first presidential debate when Biden and moderator Chris Wallace called a “lid” on it.

Biden Family Secrets Exposed

The joint Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and Finance Committee report on Hunter Biden’s business dealings with foreign powers, and their relation to U.S. government policy during the Obama-Biden administration, states the following:

Hunter Biden has extensive connections to Chinese businesses and Chinese foreign nationals that are linked to the Communist government. Those contacts bore financial fruit when his father was vice president and after he left office.

These ties went beyond the former vice president’s son. The report adds: “The records acquired by the Committees show consistent, significant and extensive financial connections among and between Hunter Biden, James Biden, Sara Biden … and Chinese nationals connected to the Communist regime and PLA as well as other foreign nationals with questionable backgrounds.”

The joint investigation details a stunning array of transactions that “paint a mosaic of the complex corporate structure that existed between entities linked to Hunter Biden, his associates, and his family and Chinese companies linked to the Communist government.” Many of the transactions were flagged for “potential financial criminal activity.” Such activity enriched Hunter Biden to the tune of millions of dollars.

As vice president of the United States, Joe Biden had an absolute obligation to know what his family members were up to, disclose it, and end it. This is not just because of the potential for corruption, but the myriad ways his family’s acts could imperil American national security. Indeed, as the report concludes, the dealings between the Biden family and China don’t merely “raise conflicts of interest concerns, they raise criminal financial, counterintelligence and extortion concerns.”

A Free Pass from Democrats and the Media

The unseemly reality of Hunter Biden enriching himself through positions for which he appears to lack any qualification other than his family name is the least of the issues here. Far more significant is that the loved ones of a high-ranking politician had deep financial interests with foreign adversaries, presenting a nightmare scenario in terms of the potential for exploitation.

If Joe Biden were seeking a security clearance, most everything in the Senate committee report and more would have to be reported. Presumably, these disclosures would imperil his odds of receiving one.

Since he is a candidate, it is up to the American people to do this vetting. This is why it was particularly troublesome that during the first presidential debate, he got a free pass on these issues. Twice, Hunter Biden’s connections with adversarial powers came up. The first time, the former vice president ignored President Donald Trump’s assertion about the unique investment opportunities Hunter exploited, seemingly based on his father’s dealings with Beijing.

The second time, the exchange went like this:

Trump: Once you became vice president he made a fortune in Ukraine, in China, in Moscow, and various other places.

Biden: That is not true.

Trump: He made a fortune, and he didn’t have a job. … Why was he given tens of millions of dollars?

Biden: He wasn’t given tens of millions of dollars. [crosstalk] It was all discredited.

Wallace: We’ve already been through this. I think the American people would rather hear about more substantial subjects. Well, as the moderator, sir, I’m going to make a judgment call here.

Trump: I know, but when somebody gets three and a half million dollars from the mayor of Moscow.

Biden: That is not true. That report is totally discredited.

Trump: Why did he get it?

Biden: Mitt Romney on that committee said it wasn’t worth taxpayers’ money. That report was written for political reasons.

Wallace: I’d like to talk about climate change.

Biden: So would I.

Does anything better depict the gap between Washington and real America than this back-and-forth?

Biden’s Record with China

Joe Biden cannot be allowed to shrug this off with a “C’mon man,” as he has in the past with respect to his son’s Ukrainian dalliances and their relation to the Obama-Biden administration’s Ukraine policy, the troubling centerpiece of the joint Senate committee report.

He has to be straight with the American people about what he knew about his family’s China business, when he knew it, what he did about it, and how it might have affected his duties and responsibilities. This is all especially important since Biden was the man in charge of the Obama administration’s China portfolio. If Biden truly was in the dark regarding these links, that is disturbing. If he knowingly concealed them, all the more so.

Over the course of his time in Washington, Biden has helped guide American foreign policy at the highest levels, first as chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and then as vice president. What accentuates the disturbing nature of these revelations about his family is the fact that throughout his career, Biden cheered China’s rise.

Joe Biden supported granting China permanent normal trade relations and the communist country’s accession to the World Trade Organization. Over and over, he served as an avatar of the political establishment’s integrationist and accommodationist approach to China, helping turn it into a global superpower. All along, he claimed this was good for America, even saying it wouldn’t threaten the livelihoods of American workers.

Biden helped make Communist China strong — again, while his family directly profited from it when he was in office — cultivating a relationship with Xi Jinping. The Obama-Biden administration was remarkably soft on China over its most grievous provocations, whether in terms of the catastrophic Office of Personnel Management hack, the militarization of the South China Sea, or its flouting of U.S. capital market regulations with impunity, gaining the imprimatur of the administration after lobbying Biden to ink a memorandum of understanding effectively normalizing its cheating.

Where Are the Russia Collusion-Mongers?

Meanwhile, even today, with Biden forced to toughen his rhetoric about China for the first time in his life — largely thanks to an opponent in Trump, who has engaged in an unprecedented effort to comprehensively confront the Chinese Communist Party — Biden still can only manage to call China a “serious competitor.” He dubs Russia, by contrast, an “opponent.” This is laughable given how much bigger, stronger, richer, and more dangerous is the former.

This raises another question: Where are the Russiagate collusion-mongers on Biden and China? Leave aside that the joint Senate report asserts that Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire from the wife of Moscow’s former mayor, who had allegedly received illegal construction contracts from her husband. Also ignore for a moment that Hunter allegedly sent thousands of dollars to Ukrainian and Russian citizens involved in the sex industry, some transactions of which might have been associated with an “Eastern European prostitution or human trafficking ring.” Why are the collusion-mongers silent about China?

By their silence and inaction, the collusion-mongers tell us they never actually cared about foreign influence, or at very best only cared about it as a political weapon. It was never about the merits. It was always about power. Part of that power concerned maintaining the China status quo from which the political establishment had so richly profited, and which the Trump administration has since upended.

We now know the extent to which the Biden family was a beneficiary of that China status quo. So once again, we must ask: What did Joe Biden know, and when did he know it?

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 0bamaadministration; 2020debates; barackhussein0bama; ccp; chriswallace; communistchina; donaldtrump; foreignpolicy; hunterbiden; joebiden; nationalsecurity; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 10/05/2020 11:35:24 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

chris wallace colludes with the chinese

2 posted on 10/05/2020 11:38:22 AM PDT by SteveH
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Not surprising, given his background:

Biden’s father was a “used car salesman.” That explains everything!

Biden’s father was initially wealthy but had suffered several financial setbacks by the time his son was born. For several years, the family had to live with Biden’s maternal grandparents, the Finnegans.[18] When the Scranton area fell into economic decline during the 1950s, Biden’s father could not find sustained work.[19] In 1953, the Bidens moved into an apartment in Claymont, Delaware, where they lived for several years before again moving to a house in Wilmington, Delaware.[18] Joe Biden Sr. later became a successful used car salesman, maintaining the family’s middle-class lifestyle.[18][19][20]

His bully attitude:

The car accident that killed Biden’s wife and daughter left him filled with both anger and religious doubt: “I liked to walk around seedy neighborhoods at night when I thought there was a better chance of finding a fight ... I had not known I was capable of such rage ... I felt God had played a horrible trick on me.”

His poor academic record.

He earned his Bachelor of Arts degree in 1965 from the University of Delaware in Newark, with a double major in history and political science and a minor in English.[23][22]:98 He graduated with a “C” average, ranked 506th of 688 in his graduating class.[24][25] Biden played halfback for the Fightin’ Blue Hens freshman football team, and defensive back for the varsity.

And here’s where his jock attitude comes from (recently he threatened his opponent to a “push-up contest”):

Biden attended the Archmere Academy in Claymont,[9]:27, 32 where he was a standout halfback and wide receiver on the high school football team; he helped lead a perennially losing team to an undefeated season in his senior year.[18][21] He played on the baseball team as well.[18] Academically, he was a poor student but was considered a natural leader among the students and elected class president during his junior and senior years,[9]:40–41[22]:99 and graduated in 1961.[9]:40–41

3 posted on 10/05/2020 11:39:10 AM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: Kaslin
Heck, Joe Biden needs to know about his family’s profits from China...
4 posted on 10/05/2020 11:40:25 AM PDT by null and void (Democrats donate to bail money. Republicans donate to scholarships. ~ throwthebumsout)
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“He has to be straight with the American people about what he knew about his family’s China business, when he knew it, what he did about it, and how it might have affected his duties and responsibilities.”

Since when? Who is going to hold them to account? The FBI? LOL. They will skate just like so many other corrupt actors in both Parties. Open that door and there won’t be a dozen Dems or Pubs standing.

5 posted on 10/05/2020 11:41:55 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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chris wallace: i’d like to give joe a hand...

joe biden: so would i...

6 posted on 10/05/2020 11:42:02 AM PDT by SteveH
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His family, yeah, but a lot of that money ended up in Joe’s pocket.

7 posted on 10/05/2020 11:43:21 AM PDT by Tejas Rob
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To: Seruzawa

Biden can’t be straight with the American people.....that requires specific detailed answers he’s unable to compute. He’ll always dodge and go into his prepared script.

8 posted on 10/05/2020 11:52:10 AM PDT by caww (...This constant pretending the president is a problem is pure evil!...)
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Open that door and there won’t be a dozen Dems or Pubs standing.

You say that like it's a bad thing!

9 posted on 10/05/2020 11:59:17 AM PDT by null and void (Democrats donate to bail money. Republicans donate to scholarships. ~ throwthebumsout)
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KNOWS? He ORCHESTRATED the corruption. Biden has a proven history as a serial liar. Yet the media is allowing him to portray himself as “honest Joe”.

10 posted on 10/05/2020 12:03:21 PM PDT by montag813 (Trump should quarantine in the White House until Jan 20, 2025, just to be safe.)
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That was not my intention! Lol.

11 posted on 10/05/2020 12:06:48 PM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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<><> then-VP Joe Biden’s taxpayer-funded trip to China took place in 2013.

<><> Hunter also flew Air Force Two with his daughter.... using tax dollars to conduct private business, to form a lucrative Chinese private equity fund.

<><> Hunter’s daughter traveled with the official group.

Astoundingly in the vast bureaucracy that is the Chinese Communist govt, just 10 days after Hunter’s trip, the Communist Chinese government issued Hunter’s equity fund a business license.

It would be impossible to know which Communist Party official had the power to do the deal with Hunter.
The deal HAD to be arranged in DC by Biden’s tax-paid VP staff——well-in-advance of the official trip——— so when the Bidens arrived the deal was good to go, and a license to do business at the ready.

Joe Biden pled innocent, saying he and Hunter “did not discuss” the lucrative business deal during the 12 hour flight. Of course not —— b/c the Hunter deal was all done in advance ....... by Joe’s tax-paid VP staff.
Hunter Biden soaked the taxpayers, using govt-sponsored travel to conduct private business, flying on the VP’ s plane and having the VP’s staff arrange the details.

KEEP IN MIND An official US trip is planned and choreographed with every detail in place——even how long Biden waved before going down the steps to meet the Chinese delegation.

Hunter admits he arranged for his Chinese business partner to meet his Dad for a photo-op-——and in the shady world of global
politics, having a picture taken with the US VP is worth gazillions.

The photo-op was also verified by NY magazine.

12 posted on 10/05/2020 12:14:49 PM PDT by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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ABC News reported: “Ukraine wasn't the only country where Hunter Biden's business and his father's diplomacy as Vice President intersected.

It also happened in China.” When VP Joe Biden flew to China on Air Force Two, his son Hunter went with well as Hunter's daughter.

This pic is the epitome of Joe Biden and his families' corruption. Shows exactly what they think of taxpaying Americans.

We exist only to serve them and the greedy Biden family's endless get-rich-quick schemes.

The moronic grandaughter waves to the Chinese if she's some sort of diplomat.

13 posted on 10/05/2020 12:16:20 PM PDT by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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What Did Joe Biden Know About His Family’s Financial Ties To China?

Biden’s posing as:
<><> (A) not knowing about son Hunter’s lucrative deals w/ China, puts wannabe Biden in a disturbing light.
<><> (B) Biden knowingly concealing Hunter’s deals, is more disturbing, since then-VP Biden was Obama’s point man for China.

REALITY CHECK Biden Sold Out America to China While Working for Hollywood
FrontPage Magazine ^ | Fri May 8, 2020 | Daniel Greenfield / FR by Louis Foxwell

Outside the JW Marriot in Los Angeles, Rev. Eddie Perez Romero was being handcuffed by the LAPD. Rev. Romero was holding up a “Free China” sign outside a Chinese Ministry of Commerce conference. Inside was the LAPD’s boss Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, along with Governor Jerry Brown, and Vice President Joe Biden, who were palling around with China’s future dictator, Xi Jinping.

“My hope is that Vice President Joseph Biden, Governor Jerry Brown and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa will rise above any pandering spirit, but as true statesmen, intentionally blur the artificial line between the economy and human rights,” Rev. Romero said.

Biden though had a very different agenda on his mind. It was 2012 and Joe was thinking about his future. A year earlier his best friend, Senator Chris Dodd, had left the Senate to run the MPAA. The MPAA was Hollywood’s trade association and the movie industry, reading its own writing on the wall, wanted into China, and was willing to sell its soul to make a deal.

Biden wanted (and desperately needed) Hollywood’s stash of cash for a future presidential campaign.

Dodd was Biden’s best friend on the Senate Swamp——Dodd had been one of the sleaziest figures in the Senate, even by the low standards of the era, eager to do favors for any well-heeled industry from finance to entertainment. His friendship with Biden gave him a direct pipeline into the Obama administration.

And Dodd gave Biden a pipeline into Hollywood. “Joe was our champion inside the White House,” Dodd later said.

Two years later, in 2014, Biden began an address to the MPAA which Dodd headed after leaving the Senate Swamp by joking, “there have been the rumors all those years when Chris and I served in the Senate that although I was chairman, he controlled me.” “We’ve just given new life to those rumors,” he continued, describing how he had left a meeting with Obama and Chancellor Merkel, telling Obama that he had to address the MPAA.

“There is no question that you’ve got the right guy with the right influence,” Biden told the Hollywood moguls.
And that’s exactly what Biden had been proving in Los Angeles as he surrounded Xi with Hollywood tycoons, especially Jeffrey Katzenberg, a major donor to his 2020 campaign, and cut a deal with the Chinese thug to increase the quota of Hollywood movies allowed in by the Chinese Communist regime.

“Some of you were there. Literally when by end of that lunch we had a handshake,” Biden boasted to the MPAA. “The next year the number of blockbuster foreign films showing in China has increased by over half and our share of the box office revenue has doubled — or your share of the box office revenue has doubled.”

“Keep me in mind for Chris’ assistant in Hollywood later,” Biden joked.

Biden understandably lost track of the difference between “your share” and “our share” because Hollywood has been a reliable fundraising machine for Biden.

What was good for Hollywood was also good for Biden. Katzenberg got Oriental Dream Works, a $330-million joint venture with the PRC, and eventually hosted Biden’s first Southern California fundraiser which brought in $700K.

2012 was a big year for the adulterous nuptials of Hollywood and the Chinese Communist Party.

A few months after the meeting between Biden and Xi, China’s Wanda Group bought AMC Theaters for $2.6 billion. The Wanda Group, run by a billionaire Communist oligarch with close ties to regime officials, is working on a Communist theme park, and its investors allegedly include Xi’s sister.

Beyond just owning the theaters, Wanda owns the Legendary Group which has a hand in a long list of movies from Spike Lee’s BlacKKKlansman, to Pokemon, along with the King Kong and Jurassic Park sequels.

The only reason Hollywood movies can play in China is because the Communist leadership directly profits from them and controls what goes into them, either directly through ownership, or by forcing the industry to submit scripts for the approval of its Communist censors. HUAC would be superfluous today.

The big six studios who make up the MPAA are all working for the Communists. And they’re proud of it.

That’s why a Tibetan character vanished from Doctor Strange (Disney has been the worst offender when it comes to appeasing the Communist leadership), why Taiwanese and Japanese flag patches vanished from Tom Cruise’s jacket in the Top Gun sequel (the movie was backed by Tencent, the PRC social media monopoly whose social media controls allow the regime to censor dissent and which has its paws on Wonder Woman, Venom and many other blockbusters), and why World War Z erased references to China covering up the origin of the zombie outbreak. That act of censorship now appears prophetic.

Biden’s brokering of the relationship between Hollywood and the Communist elite was more than financial, it was also cultural. Hollywood traded access for control, not just over what Chinese people saw, but what Americans were likely to see. Biden’s donors got richer and American movies were reduced to a bunch of CG cartoons with limited dialogue that had to win Communist approval. Summit in Toronto.

And the money didn’t just go one way.

It wasn’t just Hollywood-—Hunter....a-g-a-i-n.

In 2013, a year after the Xi event at the Marriot, Joe and Hunter Biden flew on Air Force Two to China. BHR Partners was founded that year and included Hunter Biden as a board member. Underneath all the rhetoric about the ennobling virtues of globalism was some very parochial and familial profiteering.

The big Chinese partner in the BHR arrangement was Harvest Fund Management which, coincidentally enough, in 2012 was targeting Hollywood with an $800 million investment fund. That same year, you could find Bruno Wu, who had been working with Harvest, and Chris Dodd, along with Harvey Weinstein, playing roles at the Asian Film

The Delaware Board of Trade was incorporated in 2013. Despite its name, the DBOT was not a government agency, but a penny stock startup which received a $3 million loan from New Castle County.

New Castle County had approved the issue of $15 million in revenue bonds to fund the DBOT “stock exchange” by touting the “globally recognized leaders in the financial services industry” running it. DBOT’s founders included people with experience in stock exchanges and financial services, and Dennis Toner, who was described as a “top aide to Vice President Joe Biden.”

Toner, Biden’s deputy chief of staff, is in the news for denying that Tara Reade ever told him anything. Reade’s decision to tell Toner and Ted Kaufman was a pretty poor one. Both are longtime Biden men and considered as close to the boss as family. And they’ve reaped the benefits of that closeness.

Emperor Caligula appointed his horse to the Roman Senate. After Obama won, Ted Kaufman was temporarily appointed to the Senate. If there was anything odd about appointing a Biden advisor to sit in the Senate, it became odder when Senator Kaufman delivered the opening statement in favor of Toner’s appointment as Post Office Governor, by vouching for his “loyalty” working for Joe Biden.

Reade might as well have taken her complaint to Biden, as to Toner and Kaufman.

The current New Castle County exec has since called DBOT’s founders criminals and threatened to sue after the company was disposed of as a “distressed asset” in exchange for shares of Ideanomics. Ideanomics is a Chinese crypto company trading as a penny stock and the software that served as collateral for the loan has been described as worthless. The chairman of Ideanomics is Wu.

The manager of DBOT-I LLC was listed as John Hynansky. The car dealer is a Biden pal with extensive Ukrainian ties who had lent Biden’s shady brother half a million dollars and had received $20 million in government loans to start a Porsche luxury car dealership in the Ukraine.

Biden’s vaunted foreign policy expertise has consisted of brokering deals between family members, donors, and foreign interests. These deals haven’t been good for America, but they’ve worked out very well for members of his crooked family, as well as assorted donors, camp followers, and local boys.

But his biggest deal was helping broker the Chinese takeover of the American entertainment industry.
Xi’s visit to Los Angeles hit on all the right cultural notes. He schmoozed Hollywood bigwigs and their errand boys, like Dodd and Biden, he watched a Lakers game, and cheered Obama’s 100,000 Strong China initiative to have a hundred thousand American students study in the Communist dictatorship.

“I can say with confidence my visit has been a full success,” Xi declared.

In China, culture serves the agenda of the Communist government. Unlike the Russians, who struggled vainly to stem the impact of American culture, their Chinese counterparts decided to control it at the source. Biden was a key figure in negotiating the terms on which the PRC would control Hollywood.

In 1962, the Manchurian Candidate movie depicted an effort by Communists in China, Russia, and elsewhere to kidnap and brainwash American soldiers. The modern remake replaced the Communists with a corporation and the Chinese doctor with a South African geneticist. China could not be offended.

While Biden, Katzenberg, and Xi were partying at the Marriot, human rights protesters were calling for freedom, and being arrested by the henchmen of a one-party Democrat city and state for their trouble.

Even while Biden was falsely claiming that the Hollywood sellout would improve human rights in China, the rise of China was already violating human rights in America.

Now, as Chinese drones fly over American cities, police stalk empty streets, social media monopolies monitor every single phone, and Democrat officials dismiss the Bill of Rights while locking up millions of people, our rights are gone.

And Joe Biden is the Manchurian Candidate who long ago sold out the country he now seeks to rule.

14 posted on 10/05/2020 12:22:39 PM PDT by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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AND THIS The entire Biden family was involved in undermining the safety and security of Americans while Joe Biden was Obama's VP.
<><> Joe’s brother, James Biden, freely revealed his Chinese associations to the NYT;
<><> James Biden talked freely......without fear.
<><> indicates that the Biden family had protection from a VERY HIGH SOURCE.........

BACKSTORY In December 2016, the FBI busted a China General nuclear engineer, Szuhsiung “Allen” Ho, for conspiring to help China illegally obtain “sensitive nuclear technology” from within the US.........

After Chi Ping Ho got nailed, an executive with CEFC China Energy Co., was busted by the FBI in 2017 for bribing officials in Africa, ........“one of the CEFC China Energy Co.’s exec first calls” was to James Biden, Joe Biden’s brother.

Last year, James Biden told The New York Times....(without fear)......that he believed China Energy Co.’s exec (later convicted) had been trying to reach Hunter and that, he, James Biden, provided his nephew’s contact information.

15 posted on 10/05/2020 12:25:09 PM PDT by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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Well, in his current state, he doesn’t know a heck of a lot....

16 posted on 10/05/2020 12:26:31 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security! (Ironic, huh?))
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In addition to that how about this when Obama started his division of races
What hasn’t been examined is Biden’s conduct during his term as VP and his reaction when Obama used the Bully Pulpit to create racial division during the Zimmerman trial.

When as a result of Obama’s inflammatory racist comments suggesting a racist murder. Where Obama’s remarks were interpreted by black gangs suggesting retribution for a racial incident went on attacking non blacks innocently entering “hoods” and attacking and sometimes killing them like the Australian from Melbourne; Christopher Lane, here on a college scholarship in Duncan Oklahoma who was murdered while exercising on one of Duncan’s streets.

17 posted on 10/05/2020 1:16:38 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin posting here for the record hoping somebody might read and pass around)
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It isn’t what Joe Knows regarding Communist China and his son, it is WHAT DID JOE SELL to Communist China???

18 posted on 10/05/2020 1:23:32 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: SteveH
Wallace's friend Joe....

19 posted on 10/05/2020 1:36:10 PM PDT by yoe (Vote for President Trump!..Keep America Great and protected by the US. Constitution.)
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This should be MUST reading... Chris Wallace is a disgrace and totally exposed as a fully bore swamp creature and proud of it. When he comes on Fox News, I’m switching channels.

20 posted on 10/05/2020 2:03:06 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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