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Chinese anger at US rare earths order - Washington wants to speed up local production to reduce reliance on Chinese imports
ATF ^ | Today | Chris Gill

Posted on 10/03/2020 6:40:30 AM PDT by cba123

(ATF) China has responded angrily to a US executive order to look into the country's dependence on rare earths from China. Reuters reported the order announced Wednesday could lead to tariffs, quotas or other possible import restrictions, according to the executive order released on Wednesday.

In China the news was met with irritation. Tencent news, for instance, said the US had “entered a state of national emergency”.

China does lead exports and has the top position in production of the group of elements that are is a vital material for the manufacture of technology products from mobile phones to military hardware.

In the tit-for-tat trade war, China is holding back exports or rare earths and the US, EU, Australia and others are re-opening old mines and exploring for new deposits. Rare earths are actually plentiful but difficult to get to – China’s are cheaper because they are more accessible.

(Excerpt) Read more at asiatimesfinancial.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; mining; trade
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To: null and void

Okay, take their stuff, we have the weapons.


41 posted on 10/03/2020 7:56:29 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: granada

If the Anti-American Cabal behind Biden wins the November 2d election, they’ll sign the mine over to China.


42 posted on 10/03/2020 7:57:41 AM PDT by Savage Beast (America is in a Manichaean struggle between Good and Evil. Pray for the triumph of President Trump.)
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To: EEGator

You think entirely too correct. You’re frickin’ scary.


43 posted on 10/03/2020 7:58:05 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA ("War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." - George Orwell, 1984)
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To: EEGator

Cheaper to mine our own.


44 posted on 10/03/2020 8:01:26 AM PDT by null and void (Democrats donate to bail money. Republicans donate to scholarships. ~ throwthebumsout)
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To: EEGator

Try this one on for size. Why not hold a tribunal for war crimes committed by the Taliban. Sentence them to hard labor, mining rare earth minerals.


45 posted on 10/03/2020 8:02:41 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA ("War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." - George Orwell, 1984)
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To: cba123

The 17 rare-earth elements are cerium (Ce), dysprosium (Dy), erbium (Er), europium (Eu), gadolinium (Gd), holmium (Ho), lanthanum (La), lutetium (Lu), neodymium (Nd), praseodymium (Pr), promethium (Pm), samarium (Sm), scandium (Sc), terbium (Tb), thulium (Tm), ytterbium (Yb), and yttrium (Y).


46 posted on 10/03/2020 8:03:15 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) t Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay My, oh, my, what a wonderful day)
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To: cba123

We have rare Earth metals, We also have an EPA that Clinton, Bush, and Obama forbid to allow mining those minerals to appease the Chinese.

Trump changed that.


47 posted on 10/03/2020 8:03:21 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: woodchukwood

True. No easy to reduce the dependence on PRC China. PRC started to use rare earth supply as a bargaining power in GWB era. It has taken America, EU, Japan, South Korea.....10+years to look for the alternative ways.


48 posted on 10/03/2020 8:04:39 AM PDT by granada
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To: ConservativeInPA

I like how you think.


49 posted on 10/03/2020 8:09:15 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: cba123

China tried to corner the market some years back...it was why they were in Africa attempting to bankrupt African countries in exchange for ‘loans’ to help build African infrastructure. Africans were so stupid they thought taking help from China was the same as taking help from the United States... we help to help. Chinese help to gain control. Commies are thugs... here and there and everywhere.


50 posted on 10/03/2020 8:09:30 AM PDT by GOPJ (Biden's base: non-college educated blacks.. Why won't Biden's Amtrak Tour stop in black communities?)
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To: KittyKares

China must have been laughing at what fools we are.

China, Indonesia, and Europe during the Kosovo War featuring the Albanian witch Albright.


51 posted on 10/03/2020 8:15:25 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: cba123

You know, Japan has invested big money in Vietnam for at least 10 years on rare earth mines but still can’t reduce the dependence on PRC supply.


52 posted on 10/03/2020 8:26:22 AM PDT by granada
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To: cba123

And Vietnam can’t afford the risk of offending mighty PRC China on rare earth supplying dispute.


53 posted on 10/03/2020 8:36:43 AM PDT by granada
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To: cba123
Rare earths are actually plentiful but difficult to get to

Well that's good to know. Don't have to rely on totalitarian China

54 posted on 10/03/2020 8:37:08 AM PDT by kanawa ((Trump Loves a Great Deal (NorthernSentinel)))
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To: Sacajaweau

It *is* a blackmail item. China won’t sell any rare earths unless the product created with them is then manufactured in China.


55 posted on 10/03/2020 8:49:11 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: cba123
I've been looking for any excuse to post this portrait of Winnie Jinping:


56 posted on 10/03/2020 8:50:29 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: GOPJ

GWB and Obama governments didn’t mind the dependence on PRC. It gave PRC China 10 years to consolidate the dominant position of global rare earths supply.


57 posted on 10/03/2020 9:05:54 AM PDT by granada
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To: Savage Beast; PIF

Yes, the name you are both looking for is Richard Blum.


58 posted on 10/03/2020 9:18:49 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Hive minded liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
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To: granada

Washington DC was awash with money because of China. It’s no wonder the corrupt Deep State hates Trump for putting American first...

We don’t buy elites ‘speeches’ for $10,000 a minute,

we don’t buy tables at their wives ‘charity’ events,

we don’t hire them at outrageous salaries for everything from foundations, to institutes,

to chairs at Ivies...

Deep State people are dirty - the world knows it. China plays our ‘elites’ for money, access, and and our secrets. They love China, they love war in the Middle East and they hate Trump.


59 posted on 10/03/2020 9:22:18 AM PDT by GOPJ (Biden's base: non-college educated blacks.. Why won't Biden's Amtrak Tour stop in black communities?)
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To: woodchukwood
Thanks for the info re. rare earths extraction from coal tailings work being researched. I was not acquainted with it. And... That sent me down the rabbit hole to learn a bit more.

It seems that significant research grants picked up towards about 2016 and has been increasing. Some of work has progressed from the lab to continuous pilot plant. I didn’t delve much into to details of the pilot plant unit operations but it seemed like selective precipitation was being looked at. I can think of a few other technologies that could also play a role.

The above refers to handling liquid solutions. The big gorilla though is dealing with tailings directly in terms of extraction. The materials handling is going to be very capital intensive and with high operating costs. Ouch... The obvious way to reduce the costs is to do the tailing extraction in situ within a coal tailings pond. I have no info on how this angle is being looked at but I can see some significant environmental negatives that could be difficult to handle economically.

Whatever promising techs may emerge from the existing R&D tracks with coal tailings would likely transfer over to addressing low level nuclear waste issues scattered across the western US. This is from mine tailings at defunct mining and milling operations and from the sole active low level uranium mill in operation in northwest New Mexico.

I hope the Universities involved now have a separate technology licensing organization that can get their R&D program into private industry to work up the commercial aspects of this. I’ve had mainly negative experiences when the academics try to push into or micromanage too far into the commercial development.

60 posted on 10/03/2020 9:28:34 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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