Posted on 08/03/2020 7:36:37 AM PDT by Bratch
Democrats are contemplating secession and potential civil war as they game out possible scenarios for a closely contested election, according to a report by Ben Smith in a New York Times column Sunday.
The bulk of Smith’s column is devoted to the question of how the media will handle Election Night coverage, given that the result may not be known for weeks. Vote-by-mail, which many states have only recently adopted — ostensibly, to prevent the spread of coronavirus in polling places — could lead to an uncertain result.
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In one scenario, John Podesta — the former chair of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, and a leading figure in party circles — played former Vice President Joe Biden, and refused to concede the election.
The result: the threat of secession by the entire West Coast, followed by the possible intervention of the U.S. armed forces:
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Ask the military how their war games went when they tried to subdue Americans with our armed forces.
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Tell us more, please.
...doublewidetrailerville...
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Your sneer is misplaced. Many areas of the country are predominately manufactured housing. This is due to lots of reasons, such as soil composition and terrain features. They aren’t *trailer parks*, although lots of senior housing is in such configurations.
They are not necessarily inexpensive nor cheaply built, either. Nor are they all narrow and flat-roofed. Most have some sort of footers and foundations, even without basements. Neither do they house miscreants. Most are privately owned, not mobile and not on rented pads.
Mine comes with exactly as much land as an elderly person would want to maintain. I have privacy, wildlife, (too many) trees and it is not a *lot*. So far, it is more than adequate for my needs and wants and not much different than a ranch-style home.
I am 5 minutes from wonderful natural lakes and rock formations and surrounded by forest. I’ve lived in mountains and no longer find them, the humid, frost-pocket, flood-prone valleys and the steep, winding roads my particular cup of tea, especially at my age. Ridge-top winds are also a challenge, as are extremely deep wells in times of drought. I have visited deserts and find the landscape monotonous and ugly, while 120-degrees of dry heat perfectly describes an oven. I adore vacationing on islands, but the people born and raised on them are well-aware of the vulnerabilities and limitations. Not that all island-dwellers ae fortunate enough to occupy the beaches.
I spent 45 years in a 100+ year-old home with many additions. on 80 pristine acres of rolling (and sometimes steep) hills. Stick-built is not necessarily best or even comparatively better than manufactured, especially those built more recently.
Neither do I resent California and its *perfect weather* that includes flood, earthquakes and fires. They do have lovely beaches and the rock slides that come with steep coastal lands. I’ve noticed, though, how quick the authorities are there to close beaches and restrict both beach use and access. Not that the vast majority of California is coastal or has beach access nor that the majority of the coastal counties residents have any hope of living on one.
What I resent is the idea that living in a particular geography endows the residents with superior intellect or morality, to say nothing of ethics. The same arrogance is found in abundance in urban conclaves throughout the country, most with winter and no real beaches.
It is leftists everywhere who denigrate the middle and lower middle class in the rural areas everywhere. They resent us because we do not cave to their inflated self-esteem and fanciful notions of utopia. They also resent that we occupy the land they prefer be left wild as nature preserves for the few times in their lives when they _might_ wish to visit. Oh, they dress that up with *needs* of wildlife, but, like all progs, it is really out of selfishness. Note that in the past 4 months hordes of Californians, Oregonians and Washingtonians have been frantically purchasing land and homes in the interior.
Finally, I wonder how much manufactured housing is in California? Have they banned that, too, or just enacted so many regulations that the cost puts it out of reach for the despised masses?
It’s been a long while since I read about this. I’ll see if I can dig it up again.
“But even so, landlocked states like Nevada, Colorado, Utah and Idaho have done fine without access to the sea“
How would the United States Navy do without access to the sea?
“But even so, landlocked states like Nevada, Colorado, Utah and Idaho have done fine without access to the sea“
How would the United States Navy do without access to the sea?
there is a lot of senior Mobile home parks in southern Calif, I have lived in two of them. Orange County. most of the new ones look just like a house. i believe they are triple wides.
“I don’t think San Francisco is even used as a port anymore.”
Doesn’t matter.
The PLA Navy will be using it.
If the West Coast declares its independence, the new country will immediately be recognized by Red China, Russia, Iran and most of the Muslim world, most if not all of Western Europe, Mexico, and several Latin American countries. It will be offered UN membership as well as military and economic aid by Red China and maybe Russia.
...living in our minivan for an unknown number of days (Weeks? Months?), but never in a Chinese-occupied area.
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This scenario has haunted me for years. I believe the residents the West Coast (and perhaps the East Coast?) would evacuate in droves, much like the hurricane and earthquake evacuations we’ve all seen.
The areas in question, were they occupied, even by *invitation*, would immediately become war zones. There would be displaced person camps on the borders of the affected areas and many interior regions would refuse entrance to anyone without relatives already inside those areas.
The Blue Enclave cities might offer sanctuary to displaced Americans. But, the degree of anti-prog and anti-Chinese reaction would be off the charts in the interior. Refugees would be considered potential 5th columnists, especially those of Asian ancestry.
It would be a catastrophic mess.
Check Calif production vs consumption. Then add Oregon to consumption.
Well,rather than assault me, what are you doing specifically to force these Western states to be American and follow American law? I guess you enjoy being turned into European like socialist states. I guess you must support the actual leaving American law and values
I didn’t see a ping to the CWII list so here goes...
I have news for you - a free~for~all rapidly turns into a feeding frenzy and no one will be exempt. Y'all are so eager to jettison California or Washington (as a start) because the prevailing political climate there doesn't comport with your "standards". Talk about an "out of the frying pan and into the fire" act of lunacy! Yes, the chinese and the muzzies are chomping at the bit for that to happen because it would make their job of destroying the United States much easier. The best time to strike is when your enemy is already in a state of upheaval.
I'm a selfish bastard, I grew up adoring The (50) United States of America. I refuse to accept anything less.
You’ll have to blockade the ports !
The Chines will rush food & oil there even if it means starving and damaging their own economy. They’ve done this before to gain what they think is some “foreign policy advantage”. For example Mao basically shipped his entire “economy” to the then USSR to gain its cooperation in building a nuclear weapons program.
Agree !
I chance to “influence” the disintegration of the United States will not be missed by our enemies and maybe some of our “so-called” friends.
“I Chance” should be “A chance”!
I really wish you could go back and edit typos !
You get upset about a joke and yet everyday I find posts from people wishing death upon millions of innocent people who live in California.
(Can’t wait until California Falls into the sea, can’t wait until China nukes LA, etc).
My remark was aimed at those posters.
Port blockade is certainly possible. The military bases in Calif are US bases, not Calif bases.
Regardless, this is all silly. They will be cut off from the Federal Reserve. ATMs stop working. The banks there would have no money. Creating their own money would require some sort of basis and all they have of value would be crops that can’t transport.
People are so locked into a presumption that oil is infinite they don’t have a feel for what happens if it goes to zero in a locale. Their cars don’t move. Their food doesn’t move. They have pre virus about 1.5 million barrels/day of consumption and Calif production is about 160K barrel/day.
The rest comes in from Alaska mostly and some from the Middle East.
As for China to the rescue, China domestic oil production is about 4 million bpd and they consume 14 mbpd. The rest from Iran and Russia and KSA.
Oil remains everything. California’s seccession would last about 3 weeks.
... upset about a joke...
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Well, perhaps it’s because there is such an overt element of arrogance and a will to impose themselves on the heartland that people demonize Californians. They’ve done a lot to make themselves disliked.
We have been called Deplorables, Detestables, *dregs*, and “inbred rednecks”, while the trope of ‘trailer trash’ is ubiquitous. So, I’m sensitive. Certainly, those who live in manufactured housing have as much right to be offended as those who inhabit California?
If you want to joke, perhaps add the */s*?
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