NJ Requires Voter ID No Joke

NJ Primary Election | Vanity

[Williams]

New Jersey is holding its primary today, in which the default is to vote by mail.

Anyone voting in person must fill out a provisional ballot. And the provisional ballot requires your drivers license number.

So voting in person now requires Voter ID, you fill out a lengthy form, and vote with a paper ballot. Normal voting in person does not exist.

I've heard for years that Voter ID is a republican plot which suppresses minority Voters. But now it's required if you want to vote in person.

I'm hearing numerous reports of people voting in person and telling the workers they do not approve of this mail in system. Of course, the answer is "We didn't have anything to do with it".

It's true that provisional ballots always required a drivers license number, but now all voters who show up are "provisional" voters.

I know they are planning to steal America everywhere they can on election day. But I'm wondering, what will happen when they try to get minority voters in the cities to vote on election day? Are they going to wait on long lines to fill out all these forms? And won't they be afraid of the dreaded Voter ID? /s

[chiller]

I suspect you’ve nailed it.——encourage or force mail-in voting (which they can corrupt)

[dufekin]

What about legal citizens of the United States, resident in New Jersey, never convicted of felony, at least 18 years of age, but not licensed to drive? Such voters may be elderly, blind, poor, live in densely populated areas, or choose not to drive for other reasons. Are they not allowed to vote? Voting is a right of citizens; driving is a privilege of state!

[Bullish]

The left is pushing the vote-by-mail scheme like it’s the end of their world if they don’t get it.

[dp0622]

You sound like someone that wouldn’t be happy no matter what was done :-)

[ScottfromNJ]

“So are you saying that NJ did not require ID previously when voting in person?”

Never saw that requirement before. Basically you just walked into the polling place, added your signature in a book next to your name, then you were given a voting ticket used to access the voting machine.

[Astra]

Wrong.

You need to please read the registration form... no driver’s license needed in NJ... no social security number needed in NJ... Your dog can register to vote... Seriously, go ahead and fill it out with your pets data, you’ll get the pet registered, just check that block and use your address

says it right on the registration form...
ITEM #7 is nothing more than a check block:
“I swear or a rm that I DO NOT have a NJ Driver’s License, MVC Non-driver ID or a Social Security Number.”

https://nj.gov/state/elections/voter-registration.shtml
select any county... ie:
https://nj.gov/state/elections/assets/pdf/forms-voter-registration/68-voter-registration-english-atlantic.pdf

[Ingtar]

The Blacks will have their ballots mailed in for them.

[DannyTN]

I think the pandemic is going to force mail-in voting in most states this year. I know many are trying to fight that, but I suspect they will lose. And I think we need to make sure whatever controls we can come up with are in place.

To that end, I found this site, the national conference of state legislatures, that has a list of controls. I think we can come up with additional controls. But this is a start.

Voting Outside the Polling Place: Absentee, All-Mail and other Voting at Home Options 6/22/2020

>Security Features of Voting by Absentee/Mailed Ballots
As the trend toward states permitting or even encouraging more people to vote from home (by absentee/mailed ballots, or going to all-mailed elections) has accelerated, a key question from legislators has been, how secure can we make our system?

Below are several security measures used to protect mail voting:

1. Absentee/mailed ballots are hand-marked paper ballots. Paper ballots that have been hand-marked by voters are considered by most to be the gold standard of election security. Absentee/mailed ballots provide a paper trail that can be examined if there is any suspicion of meddling, and the marks of voters can be examined one by one if need be. Paper ballots allow for post-election audits and cutting edge election security methods such as risk-limiting audits (RLA), which more states are adopting. An RLA compares a random sample of ballots against the vote tally to ensure the outcome of the election is correct. It requires a robust ballot accounting process to ensure a trustworthy paper trail.
2. The identity of every absentee/mailed ballot voter can be verified through signature verification. In a sense, a signature is a form of biometric identification, i.e. it is unique to a particular voter. By having a voter sign an affidavit on an absentee/ballot envelope the voter is affirming that the ballot enclosed is their ballot. Election officials can verify the signature as well. When combined with an effective “cure process,” or opportunity for a voter to fix a mismatched or missing signature, signature verification is an effective way to verify a voter’s identity. See above for more details on how signature verification works.
3. In most states, absentee/mailed ballots are examined and processed in advance of Election Day, spreading out the workload and providing more time for scrutiny and to “get it right.” If there is a cybersecurity incident that affects the election, there are longer lines at polling locations than anticipated, voting machines break down, election workers don’t show up, etc., voters may find it difficult to cast their votes.

   Even though voting is not occurring in a supervised environment, a number of features can be prescribed to enhance security of the election when voting by absentee/mailed ballot.

4. Systems that allow a state to keep address information up-to-date for voters is the first step in ensuring the security of absentee/mailed ballots. If voters can easily keep their addresses up-to-date then their absentee/mailed ballot is more likely to get to them. Policies to make registration updates convenient for voters and to ensure robust voter list maintenance procedures can help keep voter information current. The act of sending out absentee/mailed ballots also allows election officials to ensure they have up-to-date addresses for voters, and states that send out more absentee/mailed ballots have seen an added benefit of “cleaner” voter lists, i.e. voter address information is kept up to date.
5. Bipartisan teams have long provided a measure of security. Teams of election workers from different political parties can be deployed to retrieve ballots from the U.S. Postal Service or from drop boxes; verify signatures; open envelopes and separate the ballot from the envelope; prepare the ballots for scanning; and participate in the vote counting process. Established “chain of custody” procedures that account for all steps in the process of moving and processing ballots are useful. This is true for every aspect of election administration, but particularly true for ballots that are submitted throughout an election period and not just on Election Day.
6. Because voted mailed ballots are stored for some length of time before the election is complete, physical security is essential, too. Security cameras, locks that need a bipartisan team to open, and logs of all activities relating to ballot handling can be part of this effort. See NCSL’s Elections Security webpage for more.
7. Ballot tracking can help. Ballot tracking provides voters an opportunity to track their ballots through the process, just as packages can be tracked through FedEx or other carriers. In the case of Denver elections, texts can be sent to voters who sign up for the service so they know when their ballot has been mailed to them, when it has been received back at the election office, and when it has been approved for tallying. In other jurisdictions, voters can electronically query their local election office to ensure that a ballot is on the way. Voters can then ask for another ballot to be sent (and the first one is canceled by the election official to ensure the voter does not vote twice) if there is reason to believe a ballot has been lost.
8. Security mechanisms to prevent double-voting can be required. For instance, ballot envelopes are barcoded for individual voters, allowing election officials to be sure that they are only accepting one ballot per voter.
9. Ballot collection laws that specify how many voted ballots can be collected by any individual are intended to reduce fraud. This can also be mitigated by providing voters with ample opportunities to return their own ballots. And laws requiring signature verification rather than a witness or a notary signature can also reduce opportunities for coercion.
10. Ensuring that there are meaningful penalties for tampering with or otherwise hindering the delivery of absentee/mailed ballots, and that voters are sufficiently informed of these penalties, is another way to enhance security.

    To this list from the site, I add my own ideas:

11. Audit neighborhoods to make sure that ballots were delivered.
12. Publicly announce that people should have received ballots and who to contact if they didn't receive a ballot.
13. Investigate excessive ballots going to a single address.
14. Use undeliverable ballots to clean up the voter roles.
15. Maintain a database of ballots. So that if a person requests a second ballot or votes in person, the first ballot can be cancelled.
16. Record all changes to database and the userid (poll worker) and timestamp of the change. Do not allow any record deletions, you can mark a ballot cancelled but not delete it.
17. The database should encrypt the vote and voter name, so that if the database is hacked, the voter's privacy is protected.
18. The ballot should have control numbers. Those numbers will do the following. Ensure a ballot is legitiate. Nobody can print up ballots, without legitimate control numbers.
19. The voter should be able to dial up with their control number and see that their vote was registered correctly.
20. After the election control numbers and votes should be published. Control numbers won't reveal who the voter is, maintaining privacy. But publishing the votes allows individuals to confirm that their vote didn't change and was recorded in the final tally. It effectively allows a post election audit by voters. And it allows everyone to see the data behind the final tally.

[frnewsjunkie]

So does Georgia.

[usnavy_cop_retired]

Provisional ballots are not normally counted unless the election is close, if I remember correctly. The same used to be true with absentee ballots, but not so much now with the push for all mail in voting.

[Williams]

You are aware in NJ a town did mail in voting and 20% of the ballots were fraud, and the Democrat officials have been arrested. This will be a national nightmare and they will steal offices up and down the line.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

New Jersey is a joke. So is its psychopath governor, Sen. Murray, and Rep. Pascrel (D-NJ) or something like that.

At least the Mafia was patriotic!!!! /sarc, or maybe not !

[DannyTN]

I wasn’t, but it sounds like they had enough controls to prove the fraud and make arrests. That’s the key.

There was also a recent primary in a western state that 20 to 30% of the ballots were returned as un-deliverable. which made it clear they needed to clean up the roles. And they did signature comparisons on returned ballots and set all questionable ballots aside until they could be verified. I think they had 12,000 questionable ballots, and were able to follow up and verify 6000 of them with the voter. The other 6000 they didn’t count.

I see pros and cons. But regardless, I think vote by mail is coming this year. And if you want to fight it, fine. But have a plan b for when you lose, Plan B should be tight controls on the mail in ballot process.

[Tired of Taxes]

Marking for later

[sgt_lau]

I’m from New Jersey and at my polling place, once the little old lady finds my name in the big book, she gives me a slip of paper with a serial number on it, which I hand to the lady at the entrance to the booth before I enter to vote. I always think “They can see my vote by simply going back and seeing how serial number #@%$#& voted.” Or am I being paranoid?

[Tired of Taxes]

Hmmm... I never paid close attention to that little slip of paper, so I don’t know.

Maybe someone else here knows more about it.

[wintertime]

Yes, there are many reasons why people do not have driver licenses. I was a graduate student in a large city. I never owned a car until I was 30. I did have a driver’s license, though.

[Williams]

I know you’re trying to be logical but mail in voting will be a disaster. We won’t have time to investigate people and resolve 20% fraudulent votes in the nationwide election.

You’re talking about a plan B. We don’t control plans A-Z in the Democrat run states.

[Tired of Taxes]

In this state, anyone without a DL can get a non-driver’s ID from the state. It’s another form of picture ID.