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Trump order to ban chokeholds unless officer's life in danger
The Hill ^ | 06 15 2020 | Morgan Chalfant

Posted on 06/16/2020 10:27:48 AM PDT by yesthatjallen

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To: yesthatjallen

It’s not the place of the President to give that order.

If you are going to give that order, just ban choke holds. Tell cops to skip that step and go to the next level of force.


81 posted on 06/16/2020 1:02:14 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Responsibility2nd
George Floyd DID NOT DIE OF A CHOKEHOLD??

Facts are irrelevant.

82 posted on 06/16/2020 1:19:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I did not kill George Floyd.)
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To: Nero Germanicus

Emergency powers only go so far.


83 posted on 06/16/2020 1:22:39 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: yesthatjallen

I’m not sure this EO will go anywhere or do anything. However I’m fine with it.

Trump is doing this ...

1. ... to go before the cameras and make it appear he is doing something in response to the George Floyd incident. Clinton used to do this all the time. Making it look like you are doing something. It’s an election year.

2. ... to get out in front and ahead of Congress with his ideas so he is on record outlining reasonable steps that should be taken.


84 posted on 06/16/2020 1:24:11 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: yesthatjallen

There he goes again, appeasing the liberal base instead of defending working class


85 posted on 06/16/2020 1:42:20 PM PDT by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Facts are irrelevant.

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That’s what HE said.

“We choose about truth, not facts”

~~~ J. Biden


86 posted on 06/16/2020 2:02:31 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Click my screen name for an analysis on how HIllary wins next November.)
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To: yesthatjallen; All

If Obama had urged blacks to believe in the justice system and comply with the police would we be confronting his use of creating racial division now ?
The results of politically induced miss reporting incidents where blacks have resisted legitimate arrest and fought with police began to be used earlier during and after the post Zimmmerman trial, then on to the Ferguson episode.

Obama’s abuse of the “Bully Pulpit” which seemed to promote resistance to legitimate arrest led to black gangs attacking non blacks found innocently traversing black neighborhoods and to a score of murders or life changing injuries and later attacks of theft and vandalism on local businesses as well as attacks and murders of police officers during that period


87 posted on 06/16/2020 2:14:39 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin posting here for the record hoping somebody might read and pass around)
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To: BenLurkin

EO’s only apply to the Federal Government.


88 posted on 06/16/2020 2:15:36 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: TBP

And yet the governor who took them the farthest, Gretchen Whitmer was upheld by the Michigan courts.
“Michigan Supreme Court rejects case challenging Gov. Whitmer’s emergency powers”
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/06/04/michigan-supreme-court-whitmer-executive-powers/5273011002/


89 posted on 06/16/2020 2:20:59 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

There are a lot of bad judges in this country.


90 posted on 06/16/2020 2:29:21 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: TBP

No one is going to disagree with that statement.


91 posted on 06/16/2020 2:38:02 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: BenLurkin
How is that any business of any President to make such an “order”?
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It's not and not only that “unless life is endangered” is still UP TO THE COP to decide.
This was DUMB.
There are more cops murdered every year than suspects shot and killed by police.
There is not a national crisis on police killing people. This is Absurd to get involved on this issue, and then to come down on the wrong side?

Maybe stupid ass Bushie Rove is advising Trump on “black issues” as if Bush ever got the black vote. lol

92 posted on 06/16/2020 3:02:04 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: ThunderSleeps

Well, if an officer’s life is in danger (or civilian bystanders’) then a choke hold shouldn’t be used - lethal force should be immediately employed to end the threat.

This is one of the few times I disagree with our (current) President. A choke hold is a valid non-lethal option. Yes, it is not without risks if applied “over zealously” - heck even under nominal circumstances & use there’s always a chance other conditions may combine/impact the result ah “unfavorably.”

Banning these and other techniques just means confrontations are going to drag out longer. It will embolden suspects/criminals to resist more and longer. If a LEO is putting a suspect into a choke hold they are obviously well past the point of discussing the suspect’s behavior over tea.
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Agreed! This is just dumb.


93 posted on 06/16/2020 3:04:18 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Boogieman

Where is the enumerated power that gives the feds unconstitutional power because they’ve given states funds, dumbass? Your’s is a recipe for any tyrant that comes along - easy overthrow of a free state. Stupid.


94 posted on 06/16/2020 3:48:08 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
But what difference does that make now in light of the fact George Floyd DID NOT DIE OF A CHOKEHOLD??

Chokehold. Kneeling on neck. To-ma-to, to-mah-to.

95 posted on 06/16/2020 3:57:43 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Jim W N

“Where is the enumerated power that gives the feds unconstitutional power because they’ve given states funds, dumbass?”

What exactly is the “unconstitutional power” you think they are exercising here?


96 posted on 06/18/2020 7:44:10 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: yesthatjallen

What do chokeholds have to do with the current cases?


97 posted on 06/18/2020 7:48:29 AM PDT by bankwalker (groupthink kills ...)
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To: Boogieman

Regulating local police - not a constitutionally delegated power to the feds.


98 posted on 06/18/2020 7:50:50 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N

They’re not regulating local police.


99 posted on 06/18/2020 8:07:45 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Banning chokeholds is regulating the police.


100 posted on 06/18/2020 8:11:58 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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