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As Trump calls for churches to open, some faith leaders say they aren’t ready to gather in sanctuary
Pennlive ^ | 22 May A.D. 2020 | Ivy DeJesus

Posted on 05/22/2020 5:35:55 PM PDT by lightman

The Rev. Anna Reeves considers herself fortunate that her church, St. Paul’s Evangelical Lutheran Church in Silver Spring Twp., sits on sprawling property.

“It’s just a wonderful place for outdoor activity,” she said.

On Sunday, Reeves is going to take advantage of that ample outdoor space and use it to gather with her congregation in worship while adhering to strict social distancing protocol to protect her faith community from the coronavirus.

“I don’t think it’s safe yet to go into the sanctuary. It’s really not,” she said. “Our plan is to abide clearly by the state’s guidelines of having no more than 25 people gathering with clearly lots of social distancing and the wearing of face masks. We are asking everyone to bring their own lawn chairs so we have minimal sanitizing to do. That way we can actually space people apart quite a good way and literally minimize contact. There's not going to be any common touching.”

St. Paul’s Evangelical Lutheran Church is one of hundreds of churches in York and Cumberland counties. On Friday, both counties partially reopened for business after being designated for the state’s color-coded reopening plan.

Reeves is playing it safe by opting to hold multiple worship services outdoors.

If the weather does not cooperate on Sunday, Reeves said she’ll continue live-streaming the worship service as she has been doing since the state went on virtual lockdown in mid-March.

“If the infection rate keeps reducing over the summer, we might, and that's just a maybe, we might proceed with services outside and maybe one inside,” Reeves said. “That would be further down. Like the governor we have three phases: outdoor, outdoor plus indoor and then indoor. The indoor phase we don't even want to think about it, at this point. I don’t think it’s safe for anybody to go back into the sanctuary.”

Under Gov. Tom Wolf’s stay-at-home guidance, religious organizations have been largely exempt from shutdown orders, however, religious leaders have been encouraged to find alternatives to in-person gatherings to safeguard the health of their congregants. Health officials have advised that individuals refrain from not gather in religious buildings or homes for services or celebrations until the stay at home order is lifted.

Under the state’s guidelines for reopening, large gatherings are still not permitted. Gatherings are limited to 25 people.

Even so, some faith leaders are abiding by strict guidelines to protect their congregation. Many say that even though their county is reopened under the yellow phase, they do not feel comfortable bringing their communities together.

“When Jesus talked about the two great commandments, they were love of God and love of thy neighbor, and the more we learn about COVID-19, the more it seems the loving thing to do to not have have a situation where you are inside in a confined space communal singing and communal talking,” said Rev. Alex Martini, of St. Peter Lutheran Church in Mechanicsburg. “That's what church is about in a lot of ways. To limit those risky behaviors for the sake of our vulnerable neighbors and community makes sense to us.”

President Donald Trump, by contrast, is calling for churches to reopen.

The president on Friday said he has deemed churches and other houses of worship “essential” and called on governors to allow them to reopen this weekend.

Trump said that if governors don't abide by his request, he will "override" them, though it's unclear what authority he has to do so.

Martini has been live streaming worship services, and said he would continue to do so until at least June 5. On Friday, Wolf said all of Pennsylvania will be lifted from the state’s stay-at-home order by June 5, and 18 counties will move to the green phase May 29.

“The general idea is that we are going to follow the letter and spirit of the yellow phase,” Martini said. “Anything we can do online via zoom we are going to do and continue to limit the use of the building.”

Martini estimates that services will continue to be held online through the summer.

“My bet is we are not going to be having any sort of in building worship until the fall,” he said.

Indeed, church communities across the country have been rocked by coronavirus-related deaths and illness after congregations bucked lockdown orders and gathered with parishioners to lethal results.

A church choir practice in Washington, for example, attended by 61 people on March 10, resulted in 53 COVID-19 cases and 2 deaths. One of the members of the Skagit Valley Chorale practice had cold-like symptoms.

Just this week, churches in Georgia and Texas - two states at the forefront of reopening efforts - closed their doors after reopening after members tested positive for coronavirus. Catoosa Baptist Tabernacle in Ringgold, Ga., and Holy Ghost Catholic Church in Houston have indefinitely suspended services.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention this week called on faith-based organizations to coordinate with local health officials to implement reopening guidelines.

Martini takes those hard lessons seriously.

“Our sanctuary is not huge. If things were normal we would have it pretty full,” he said. “To think of all those aerosolized droplets going into that space... it is not wise, or safe or the faithful thing to do right now.”

His congregation can see as many as 140 people at worship service.

The Pennsylvania Department of Health reported 866 new coronavirus cases Friday, raising the statewide total to 66,258. Across Pennsylvania, 4,984 fatalities have been tied to the coronavirus, including 115 newly reported deaths Friday.

The Diocese of Harrisburg, which represents more than a quarter of a million parishioners across 15 counties, has provided guidelines for parishes in the yellow zone. These include the dispensation from the Sunday obligation to attend Mass. All Mass livestreams will continue.

Masks are required for parishioners attending Mass; and they are to be removed only to receive communion, which will be distributed after Mass not during. Holy water fonts will remain empty; and all hymnals and missals have been removed from the pews. The Sign of Peace will continue to be omitted.

Bishop Ronald Gainer has asked members of the Catholic community to not cross counties when churches begin to reopen, in order to ensure parishioners have primary access to their own parish churches and to respect the government’s stay-at-home order.

In addition to Cumberland and York, the counties that opened under the yellow phase on Friday include Adams, Beaver, Carbon, Columbia, Juniata, Mifflin, Perry, Susquehanna, Wyoming and Wayne.

Reeves plans to put in place adjustments to the worship service, including assigning two ushers to distribute hand sanitizer to those who attend the outdoor service.

She will also distribute pre-packaged communion wafer and wine after the service. The wine is prepackaged in a small plastic cup.

“Normally it’s part of the service,” Reeves said. “We can’t have that right now.”

Martini added that a number of his congregants are in health care, and their voices encouraging everyone to practice social distancing have had a major impact on his faith community.

“That message has gotten through the congregation,” he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: billofrights; businesssanctuary; citizensovereignty; defiance; elca; essentialbusinesses; essentialworkers; fearful; freedomofassembly; freedomofreligion; fristamendment; mutinyonthebounty
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To: lightman

Dolly said it best in joyful Noise.. anybody can be a pastor, just takes 5 minutes. These folks must have taken her advice.


21 posted on 05/22/2020 6:36:59 PM PDT by momincombatboots (Ephesians 6... who you are really at war with)
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To: lightman

Women cannot Sheppard local flocks.


22 posted on 05/22/2020 6:39:49 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
They can’t shepherd either. 😝
23 posted on 05/22/2020 6:42:53 PM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: lightman

Cowards


24 posted on 05/22/2020 6:43:16 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: lightman
They do not have to reopen.

They can stay closed until the Kingdom of God returns to earth or they actually grow a brain, which ever comes first.

But we have reopened and more and more churches are joining us.

25 posted on 05/22/2020 6:45:01 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Leave it to me to be holdin' the matches when the fire truck shows up & there's nobody else to blame)
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To: lightman

Some “faith leaders” need to learn to code.


26 posted on 05/22/2020 6:47:10 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Philosophy isa battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language. Wittgenstein)
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To: lightman

It’s the church’s choice.

The point is the government has no right to close churches. If church’s choose to close that’s fine. But it is the churches choice.

How they grow or decline after this crisis is over will depend on what they choose now.


27 posted on 05/22/2020 7:05:28 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: lightman

Not ready? Stay home and shut yourself in to avoid the cootie bogeyman.

Simple!


28 posted on 05/22/2020 7:11:03 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: elpadre

Exactly.

Their church, their choice.

I respect THEIR right to choose even when they choose poorly.

I cannot respect a Governor usurping that right and choosing for them.

I an only RESIST!


29 posted on 05/22/2020 7:13:04 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Fido969
ECLA probably. Very leftie.

Yes.

Pr. Martini is in his rookie call...not much life experience.

Pr. Reeves is a bit more seasoned but wrong gender plus hyphenated last name equals WOKENESS on steroids.

30 posted on 05/22/2020 7:16:50 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: lightman

They hardly sound like faith leaders, lol. Open the churches so people can go in. Someone else can act as faith leader.


31 posted on 05/22/2020 7:21:44 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Just sit in your house until the food stops coming and then starve. You'll be safe.)
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To: Magnum44
Autocorrect strikes again, smartphone 🤣
32 posted on 05/22/2020 8:03:12 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: colorado tanker

Are churches/houses of worship protected against lawsuits by attendees who become sickened (or the families of those who may die) in their space?

I believe THAT is the primary reason many businesses are remaining closed (including churches).

While FReepers laud those businesses that ignore restrictions and re-open (and I understand the financial pressure influencing those decisions), the fact is they may be liable for huge dollar amounts if someone contracts this in those places - and their insurance companies probably won’t have to cover the loss (meaning the business is probably done at that point).


33 posted on 05/22/2020 8:23:37 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: lightman

Hmmmmm. I don’t think Trump said or meant, “We are going to force you to open”. So, what’s the problem?


34 posted on 05/22/2020 9:45:08 PM PDT by Sir Bangaz Cracka (Slamming dat white cracka'a head into dat sidewalk causin he be scared)
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To: lightman

LOL!
Of course the media is going to make this out as some kind of dispute!
Ni matter how hard they have to try.


35 posted on 05/22/2020 9:47:46 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts (M / F) : Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: kearnyirish2; Honorary Serb; Kolokotronis

At least one Greek Orthodox is requiring parishes to place signage on its doors to the effect that by voluntarily entering the person is acknowledging that doing so is not risk-free and that they might contract COVID 19 or some other disease and therefore will hold the parish harmless.

Now that only slows down a lawsuit by a few seconds...about as effective as a cloth mask against a microscopic virus.


36 posted on 05/22/2020 9:52:01 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: lightman

We’re ready, but our governor wants to run the churches.


37 posted on 05/22/2020 11:35:11 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: lightman

Freedom is a good thing; we should bring it back and never allow thugs to interfere with our most basic rights again.

Churches that choose not to open have the right to remain closed. Churches that choose to open for normal services, with or without masks, have the God-given right to make that choice. My minister does nine services for Christmas, and he has said he would be happy to do nine every week to allow everyone to attend without crowding - again, his/our choice. What is not a legitimate option is for governors to issue executive orders that interfere with the free exercise of religion.


38 posted on 05/23/2020 1:45:38 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Bayard

Bellevue Southern Baptist in MEMPHIS has as of 2017, 30,000 members, Huge church.


39 posted on 05/23/2020 6:08:44 AM PDT by GailA ( I AM A TRUMP GIRL)
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To: lightman

Yes; in my area in NJ the first suit would be brought by some imports claiming they couldn’t read it in the language in which it is written (and they’d win).


40 posted on 05/23/2020 7:26:35 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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