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Tennessee appeals judges say it's OK to make creepy videos of women without their consent
USA Today / MSN ^ | 5-12,20 | Jamie Satterfield, Knoxville News Sentinel

Posted on 05/12/2020 11:21:03 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes

Three judges–all men–wrote three separate but nearly identical opinions concluding it's not a crime in Tennessee to film fully clothed women without their consent if they're in public.

The issue arose in the case of an admitted sexual deviant who was convicted of unlawful photography and admitted he stalked women in retail stores and filmed their "private areas" for sexual gratification.

Tennessee Court of Criminal Appeals Judges D. Kelly Thomas Jr., James Curwood Witt Jr. and Thomas T. Woodall collectively and separately tossed out unlawful photography convictions against the Sullivan County man, who has a history of public indecency charges.

In three separate opinions, the trio reach the same conclusion: No one has a right to expect privacy in the digital age.

“Exposure to the capture of our images by cameras has become, perhaps unfortunately, a reality of daily life in our digital age,” Thomas wrote.

“When nearly every person goes about her day with a handheld device capable of taking hundreds of photographs and videos and every public place is equipped with a wide variety of surveillance equipment, it is simply not reasonable to expect that our fully-clothed images will remain totally private,” he concluded.

Thomas, Witt and Woodall agreed evidence showed David Eric Lambert intentionally filmed women for sexual gratification, took “close-up” footage of three women’s “private areas” in three separate stores, tried to hide his filming and admitted he “crossed moral boundaries.”

The three men also agreed Lambert had a string of prior misdemeanor convictions for exposing himself and committing sexual acts in public.

They acknowledged Lambert’s victims found him “creepy” even before they realized he was filming them and tried to evade him. One woman ran out of the store. Another alerted security.

But, the trio concluded, without an “expectation of privacy,” Lambert’s actions aren’t criminal.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 2020election; dnctalkingpoint; dnctalkingpoints; election2020; jamiesatterfield; judiciary; knoxvillenews; mediawingofthednc; metoo; partisanmediashills; presstitutes; smearmachine; tennessee
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The women were out in public, but he was following them and taking closeup photos/videos (?) zeroing in on certain body parts.
1 posted on 05/12/2020 11:21:03 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

The expectation of privacy only applies when you want to snuff out your baby...


2 posted on 05/12/2020 11:24:00 AM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: Tired of Taxes

Sounds like criminal trespassing - the stores don’t want him in there. Except for Target, of course.


3 posted on 05/12/2020 11:24:17 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

...it’s not a crime in Tennessee to film fully clothed women without their consent if they’re in public.


Makes sense.

However, “how” you film may be a problem. e.g. stalking or “up the skirt”, etc. But yeah. It sorta hast to be legal or all photography where people are around could come under legal scrutiny. You couldn’t even take a picture of your family without worrying about who or what is in the background. And just one slip up could cost you. And things like Google Glass or the equivalent will eventually be so common people won’t even think about it.


4 posted on 05/12/2020 11:24:30 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Pedo Joe is pleased.


5 posted on 05/12/2020 11:24:50 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: jimmygrace

well played.


6 posted on 05/12/2020 11:25:02 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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7 posted on 05/12/2020 11:25:27 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Correct legal decision. But I love how the story emphasizes that the judges were all MEN!!!! Oh, those evil men who uphold the law and the Constitution. BTW, someone should have just kicked this guy in the nuts a few times. That would end the problem.


8 posted on 05/12/2020 11:27:28 AM PDT by bort
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To: Tired of Taxes

I would not be surprised to find out that the creep has a map with x’s on it to mark the burial places of his victims. He bears watching, IMO.


9 posted on 05/12/2020 11:30:20 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (With every passing day, I am a little bit gladder that Romney lost in 2012.)
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It sounds like he’s a perv who is trying to get up as close to the legal line as possible.

Which, in that way, I concur with the judges. If I read this right, he simply took photos from a long distance at the butts, breasts, and crotches. This is different than upskirt or other forms of voyeurism where a woman is reasonably certain others will not see their private areas. By filming then in public, he’s not technically violating anything.

It’s little different than a man staring a woman’s breasts in public. It’s rude and creepy but it’s not something the law need be involved in. He could very well take full body photos with a high quality DSLR and zoom in the favored body parts.

If we made a law against what he did, that’s something he’d probably move to. What then? Ban photographs in public.

I think the line is set fairly reasonably.


10 posted on 05/12/2020 11:31:36 AM PDT by Bogey78O (So far so good.)
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To: cuban leaf

In this case, the guy was getting up real close to the women and filming.


11 posted on 05/12/2020 11:31:48 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

Yeah. I consider the “up close” and “filming” to be separate things. Can you legally badger people in public?


13 posted on 05/12/2020 11:39:29 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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Sure, someone can take photos from a distance and zoom in. Not much anyone can do about that. But, this weirdo was walking up really close.

From the article: a fourth woman was checking out air fresheners at the Dollar Tree when she “felt like someone was standing really close” and turned to see a man with a “really creepy grin” holding a cell phone close to “the right side of her rear end.” She could see the image on his phone. When she protested, Grizzel testified he “grabbed the right side of her rear end and said, ‘Nice (expletive),’” before he fled

If I understand correctly, the judges ruled that touching her was illegal, but filming her close up that way was legal. Egads.

14 posted on 05/12/2020 11:42:56 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

The judge is Biden’s cousin.


15 posted on 05/12/2020 11:43:15 AM PDT by Tucker39 ("It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." George Washington)
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I have no words. How’d he survive without getting his ass kicked? Nobody gets that close to me, unless I am married to him.


16 posted on 05/12/2020 11:46:25 AM PDT by ronniesgal (so I wonder what his FR handle is???? and let's get back to living!!!)
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Cell phones lenses are so small they are wide angle cameras, so to ‘zero in’ and anything they have to be on top of it.

I realize his behavior was annoying to the women, but taking pictures of ‘their private parts’ when they are dressed sounds silly.


17 posted on 05/12/2020 11:48:49 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Wear your face homemade coverings (not a N95 please) when you zoom into work to show you care.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Husband/boyfriend of said woman who’s being photographed; can that camera take pictures in the dark?


18 posted on 05/12/2020 11:50:10 AM PDT by SkyDancer (~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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But, the trio concluded, without an “expectation of privacy,” Lambert’s actions aren’t criminal.

This is the logical result of the consequences of the legal term "reasonable expectation of privacy.

Why is anyone surprised by this?

19 posted on 05/12/2020 12:03:29 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
...it's not a crime in Tennessee to film fully clothed women without their consent if they're in public.
Yeah, no ****.

20 posted on 05/12/2020 12:09:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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