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1 posted on 05/04/2020 11:55:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s less than Cuomo’s socialist, fascist Utopia.


2 posted on 05/04/2020 11:57:05 AM PDT by Paladin2
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The fatality rate is “high”, but not much higher than some other first world countries like the US. And they’ll be done with this virus sooner because the decided not to all voluntarily cut off their balls at once.


3 posted on 05/04/2020 11:57:11 AM PDT by Mr. Rabbit
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Just plot it out by cohort.

This analysis isn’t tough.


4 posted on 05/04/2020 11:58:34 AM PDT by Paladin2
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What difference, at this point, does it make?


6 posted on 05/04/2020 11:59:43 AM PDT by cll (Serviam!)
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The real question is the long term integrated deaths, including suicides and delayed medical care caused by the lockdown.


7 posted on 05/04/2020 11:59:55 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown
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Sweden might achieve herd immunity while other countries face the prospect of choosing between reopening and watching infection shoot up rendering the lockdown meaningless or staying lockeddown forever. We’ll just have to see.


8 posted on 05/04/2020 12:00:06 PM PDT by jarwulf
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While I think that Sweden did a lot of things right, they neglected to do any isolation of the elderly from the general public. That is why their death rate is so high. They have a higher rate of elderly citizen infected with the virus, hence a higher death rate.


10 posted on 05/04/2020 12:00:49 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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Sweden has not destroyed their economic infrastructure. The message is clear, at-risk population groups should be quarantined and protected. The rest of the herd should be allowed to develop immunity. Will some people die? Of course, as occurs every year with various pathogens.


11 posted on 05/04/2020 12:01:37 PM PDT by Obadiah (Kill the deep state or lose the Republic.)
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Sweden doesn’t have one of their two political parties and nearly all of their media actively working with the CCP, so they kept their economy running.


12 posted on 05/04/2020 12:05:22 PM PDT by datura
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Sweden's deaths per million is lower than New York State New Jersey Massachusetts Italy Spain Belgium France The UK and a whole lot of countries and states that had brutal lockdowns.
Sweden did it all with ZERO lockdowns. And they haven't destroyed their economy.
They are VASTLY better off than New York State that's for sure.
13 posted on 05/04/2020 12:06:57 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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It’s too soon to tell for sure, but Sweden might already have reached it’s peak of new cases and new deaths.


14 posted on 05/04/2020 12:12:22 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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All of the countries with higher fatality rates than Sweden also have lockdowns, which shows how well lockdowns work. Spain, where I live, has been in lockdown since mid March. My town has over 27000 people, less than 10 reported cases and 0 deaths. The government calls this “countless lives saved,” which is a joke.


15 posted on 05/04/2020 12:12:32 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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Did they have their healthcare systems get over run, with patients dying in the hallways? No? Then it was a success. Because that was their and our goal.

Until the socialists and their useful idiots moved the goalposts. And Trump inexplicable went along.


16 posted on 05/04/2020 12:16:25 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Unredact the 99 Collyer Report!!!)
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Throughout the History of Civilization, there are winners and losers after events which have a massive impact. The US will most likely be a loser. Too many people have gone crazy demanding a perfect outcome which has no impact on them. They lack the imagination and experience to adapt to new realities. Sounds like Sweden might be a winner.


20 posted on 05/04/2020 12:33:51 PM PDT by grania ("We're all just pawns in their game")
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I don't know, I'm not a pandemic expert but apparently Nicholas Frankovich is. Or thinks he is.
21 posted on 05/04/2020 12:33:55 PM PDT by McGruff (Biden's still Hidin)
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Liars, liars, liars

Just telling them who they really are.


22 posted on 05/04/2020 12:34:30 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.(DT4POTUS))
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Deaths

230 per million - Sweden
177 per million - United States
(1280 per million in NY State)

So comparing shutting down the entire economy vs Sweden’s remaining open, you have a less than 25% difference in the number of deaths per million (unless you’re comparing it to New York state, where you have about 20% of the deaths in Sweden compared to NY.)

If the argument is it didn’t work out right for Sweden, I think they have pretty definitively shown that not shutting down the economy was FAR more effective in terms of death toll vs NY, marginally the same as the United States as a whole.

I think the argument is clear - the reason why shutting down the entire economy has never been part of any contingency plan (ever) is because it’s not effective. It made no difference.

Glad my county saw the light and reopened today.


25 posted on 05/04/2020 12:48:10 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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Have to wait to see. The countries that are “flattening the curve” are postponing their deaths. The Swedes are getting them all up front.


26 posted on 05/04/2020 12:49:12 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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Increase in deaths over historical averages:


27 posted on 05/04/2020 12:53:59 PM PDT by nwrep
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This report is misleading ; Sweden has slightly more than 200 deaths per million, while the USA is right about at 200.. the slight difference more in Sweden doesn't factor in deaths that are being caused by people out of work, , depression, lack us sun, food shortages , and the lack of availability to see doctors for preventive care that is going to put USA over Sweden if any body ever bothers to factor in the real costs of misguided public policy over a flu virus.

See third chart down, pick deaths per million as option
http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

28 posted on 05/04/2020 12:54:08 PM PDT by seastay
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