Posted on 04/29/2020 7:42:24 AM PDT by Hojczyk
Two things, said Hume. First the collateral damage from it is extraordinary.
Hume explained that the initial reasons for the full lockdown was to protect our medical system from being overwhelmed. Except, he said, hospitals are failing across the country.
The damage to our medical, our health care system it seems to me is something we really have to take into account here, said the Fox News correspondent. Its very serious.
Hume cited the economic damage and budgetary harm as other examples: We are saddling our country and future generations with debt on a scale that was already high and now it is far, far worse. Not to mention the toll on businesses with which wont reopen and so on. The unemployment.
The consequences for children being locked up at home and not being able to go to school with their friends and be outside, the mental health issues that arise from that, the domestic domestic violence Thats part of it, the damage from it.
The Fox News correspondents second reason centered around the fact that coronavirus overwhelmingly affects elderly people and those with serious underlying medical conditions.
Everyone else is much less vulnerable, down to children who seem almost totally invulnerable to catching this disease, he said, contending that it can be addressed by having the vulnerable quarantined.
This is not in my view all about simply we are so good at the mitigation efforts, Hume said after observing how the virus has failed to spread to places outside major metropolitan areas like New York City. I think theres reason to believe that this disease turned out, outside of certain populations, not to be not early as severe and dangerous as we thought and certainly the death rates I think will end up reflecting that.
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Maybe the lockdown is hurting Brit’s masters in China.
I expect it is. Payback is a bitch.
Of course, the lockdown was always intended to be ended, so Captain Obvious isn’t really saying anything, here.
I am thinking that our leadership has failed to come up with any solution better than the approaching Summer. Still, they did far better than China, by all accounts.
If control remains, and Summer provides the final control for this season, it appears that this will have the death-toll of a horribly-botched flu vaccination and outbreak.
My work is instituting daily monitoring, so they should have a record and a means of control when normal work returns.
Well, no. Most Americans spend their lives LOOKING FOR things to be scared of. And if they don't find anything, they'll make sh!t up to frighten them (global warming or "weapons of mass destruction," for example).
“Well, no. Most Americans spend their lives LOOKING FOR things to be scared of. And if they don’t find anything, they’ll make sh!t up to frighten them (global warming or “weapons of mass destruction,” for example).”
That’s an excellent point, and one I’ve noticed. A lot of people seem to embrace the fear, and spend each day looking for more scary things to make the threat appear to be even worse.
I’ve noticed it, but can’t understand it at all.
Facts don't work for Dunning-Krugerants.
Lawsuits against totalitarians and their media propagandist will have some impact but far more impact if the populace sees the light.
In my neck of the woods the state is still under a stupid lockdown order, but a number of public officials are ALREADY coming out in public and asking: "What went wrong?"
There was an interesting interview on the radio this morning with a county official who is pushing back against his state's leadership on this, and he said something that reinforces something I've been saying since this fiasco started:
"The biggest mistake we made was putting state health officials in charge of this instead of our emergency management office."
My interpretation of the poll is that this poll is garbage.
“They subconsciously take their normal dull existence and turn it into a daring adventure against unseen dangers — by making up the dangers out of thin air.”
That makes sense. It gives them a purpose.
If these idiots faced a real war, as in one on our soil, or times like the depression in the 1930s, they’d be too busy trying to survive and they wouldn’t make things up.
Now, if you can explain how, of all the items a person needs, how toilet paper became the first thing people rushed for in what they perceived to be a crisis? Toilet paper?! I’m thinking ammo, weapons, dry goods, batteries... tp is no where near the top 10.
What better way to create the need for national health care?
Quote: “For those of you who doubt the power of the legacy media, here it is on full display. The media has successfully scared the heck out of most Americans. That fear is so deep that no amount of logic, reason, or data that eases those fears is acceptable.”
Well said, but there is something about fear. Once you unleash that monster, there is no controlling it. The pressure of another more monstrous fear is building. Like a volcano, it is erupting. That is the fear of economic ruination and it is starting to overwhelm the fear of the virus.
I hope that I am wrong, but my state of NJ is ground zero for it. The war will start right here. I am not saying that anyone is going to go out and start shooting the state up. How it will start, however, is with a shot. Our citizens are increasingly ignoring Murphy’s orders, especially by the shore. Oh sure, the sheep in the state pay lip service to obeying. But everyday I can see lefties that I know violating the orders. I know one who decries the protests as “reckless” yet is out playing a pickup basketball game with friends on his driveway everyday.
This weekend it is supposed to be in the 70’s. The dam will break and Murphy will not see as a sign that he should loosen things up. Oh no, instead he will double down on enforcement that will become even more thuggish.
It is only a matter of time before the tension reaches such a boiling point that law enforcement uses deadly force somewhere. And then, there will be blood on an increasingly larger and larger scale.
Trump is no dummy. He has to see what we do. However, it is clear the doom doctors are telling him to keep it shut down. It is also clear his back is against the wall in that the media will blame him for the inevitable new hot spots and deaths.
Fauci is not lying about a second wave. We will probably have continual hotspots for some time. We will NOT have a vaccine anytime soon. There is no zero risk option healthwise, but there is likely a point of no return for the economy and we are getting very close to that.
Congress will not help as their only answer is to remain locked down and continue to lob half trillion dollar debt bombs at the problem to promote their socialistic ideas.
Why are we not hearing them break down the true numbers based on age and health risks at these daily pressers? Some Governors are saying this - Desantis said it yesterday.
I truly do not understand this. Navarro and others in his inner circle have to be saying this because it is so obvious!
I’ve never been able to understand why so many people liberals) who have been living the good life are so intent on destroying it...
So what should we do?
Including many on FR!
Too many! People go outside and get some sun, please? Then relax with a Clorox pina colata and a lysol colonic, while shining a flashlight down your throat!
Good observation about the error of putting medical experts in charge. Of course, we do have to remember that some state governors then seem to have turned themselves into medical experts. Consider Whitmer, who banned the hydroxychloroquine treatment based on her vast medical knowledge.
We need to smartly reopen the country immediately based on the real numbers. Allow those not in a high risk group to engage in commerce and labor. Continue to isolate those in high risk groups. At this point even 50% of the country back at work will greatly minimize the damage being done.
There will be outliers and there will be some new outbreaks, but we know that is going to happen regardless of how long we postpone the decision.
And that's 51%.
I can be emotional at times, but I am also logical and very skeptical of anything the MSM says, to the point that I presume they are telling me lies or distorting the truth for whatever agenda they have at the time.
I have friends that I thought were clear thinking, but this virus coverage has shown me that they arent as clear thinking as I thought. They are so frightened. It is surprising how many have given into fear.
For those new to the data, I standardize each municipality's cumulative COVID-19 fatality count per GitHub by its population, then multiply the resulting quotient by the US' population of 329MM to put everyone on a common/US scale. I then index each municipality's time-series to Day 1, where their size-adjusted fatality count is right before it breaches 1,000 people. This corrects for what I call the "Golf Problem" where broadcasts of the Masters etc have to show not only each golfer's score, but which hole they're at. I also list the Day 1 date and the population for reference. I've posted the history back to Day 1 on my About page.
Note for the US as nation, that Day 1 is March 25, which means Day 35 is April 28 for that row of data. You can do the math for the other municipalities to find out what Day XX means for them in calendar times; as a general rule, the last actual data point is the freshest date, but on a Golf timeline it gives each municipality's score as of the "35th hole."
The sort order is Day 35 for the international table. For the states' data, I sort by Day 31 which generally keeps the relative ranking steady for later days. For those states that haven't played the 31st hold, the sort order is Day 25.
I dropped the West Bank because their fatality total rose then fell, so I don't trust the data. I replaced them with Canada, which is doing very well (if I can even use that terminology). The international ranking of the US hasn't changed in a long time. Sweden and the Netherlands' "hands off" approach hasn't yielded fewer fatalities than the US, and Sweden deserves its own scrutiny because they aren't truly a hands-off/'flubro' nirvana. But that doesn't mean we should ignore what they're doing.
Stateside, for Day 35 the ranking of municipalities adjusted fatalities higher than the US as a whole remains unchanged: New York (Blue), New Jersey (Blue), Connecticut (Blue), Massachusetts (Blue), Michigan (Red), Louisiana (Red) and District of Columbia (Blue), respectively.
This data could/should be used to help assess where we can re-open for business on an unchained basis, and where a more risk-based approach to re-opening can be used adopted. But we must re-open.
Pray for those impacted.
Country | Date of Day 1=day priot to hitting 1,000+ population-adjusted deaths | Population | Day 25 | Day 26 | Day 27 | Day 28 | Day 29 | Day 30 | Day 31 | Day 32 | Day 33 | Day 34 | Day 35 | Day 36 |
San Marino | 3/3/20 | 33,574 | 206,132 | 215,948 | 215,948 | 245,396 | 255,211 | 255,211 | 294,475 | 294,475 | 314,106 | 314,106 | 314,106 | 333,738 |
Belgium | 3/19/20 | 11,524,454 | 102,947 | 111,611 | 118,875 | 126,967 | 138,892 | 147,643 | 155,935 | 162,513 | 166,659 | 171,520 | 179,070 | 185,590 |
Andorra | 3/21/20 | 77,543 | 131,749 | 140,249 | 140,249 | 148,749 | 148,749 | 152,999 | 157,249 | 157,249 | 157,249 | 157,249 | 169,999 | 169,999 |
Spain | 3/13/20 | 47,100,396 | 93,346 | 98,271 | 103,498 | 108,081 | 112,517 | 116,190 | 120,410 | 124,237 | 126,336 | 130,898 | 135,145 | 139,952 |
France | 3/18/20 | 67,076,000 | 68,052 | 70,809 | 73,629 | 77,373 | 84,448 | 88,147 | 91,891 | 95,045 | 97,006 | 99,698 | 102,337 | 105,009 |
Italy | 3/5/20 | 60,243,406 | 58,966 | 63,408 | 67,986 | 71,963 | 76,121 | 80,311 | 84,036 | 86,908 | 90,388 | 93,692 | 96,657 | 99,994 |
United Kingdom | 3/20/20 | 66,435,550 | 56,287 | 60,166 | 63,961 | 68,252 | 72,459 | 76,878 | 79,840 | 82,097 | 86,204 | 90,039 | 93,214 | 97,063 |
Ireland | 3/25/20 | 4,921,500 | 38,236 | 40,847 | 46,003 | 48,883 | 51,494 | 53,168 | 67,900 | 71,181 | 72,788 | 73,793 | 77,610 | - |
Netherlands | 3/17/20 | 17,451,031 | 47,589 | 50,101 | 51,876 | 53,500 | 55,804 | 59,392 | 62,829 | 65,549 | 68,230 | 69,816 | 71,082 | 74,198 |
Sweden | 3/23/20 | 10,333,456 | 42,512 | 44,649 | 48,189 | 49,114 | 50,390 | 56,290 | 61,775 | 64,454 | 68,632 | 69,908 | 69,971 | 72,523 |
United States | 3/25/20 | 329,556,365 | 38,664 | 40,661 | 42,094 | 44,444 | 46,622 | 49,954 | 51,949 | 53,755 | 54,881 | 56,259 | 58,355 | - |
Switzerland | 3/16/20 | 8,586,550 | 36,385 | 38,457 | 39,762 | 42,449 | 43,677 | 45,059 | 47,553 | 49,165 | 50,931 | 52,505 | 53,464 | 54,846 |
Luxembourg | 3/17/20 | 613,894 | 28,989 | 33,283 | 35,431 | 37,041 | 35,968 | 37,041 | 37,041 | 38,652 | 38,652 | 39,189 | 40,262 | 41,873 |
Macedonia | 3/24/20 | 679,600 | 23,761 | 23,761 | 24,731 | 26,186 | 26,671 | 27,156 | 27,156 | 27,641 | 28,611 | 29,581 | 31,520 | 34,430 |
Canada | 4/1/20 | 37,979,093 | 22,118 | 23,108 | 24,652 | 25,884 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Portugal | 3/23/20 | 10,276,617 | 20,171 | 21,069 | 22,031 | 22,897 | 23,570 | 24,436 | 25,174 | 26,296 | 27,387 | 28,220 | 28,958 | 29,760 |
Germany | 3/25/20 | 83,149,300 | 17,673 | 18,176 | 19,270 | 19,948 | 20,923 | 22,096 | 22,829 | 23,293 | 23,685 | 24,280 | 25,025 | - |
Denmark | 3/22/20 | 5,822,763 | 17,489 | 18,168 | 19,017 | 19,583 | 20,092 | 20,602 | 20,941 | 21,734 | 22,300 | 22,809 | 23,658 | 23,884 |
Austria | 3/23/20 | 8,902,600 | 15,177 | 15,955 | 16,399 | 16,732 | 17,398 | 18,176 | 18,879 | 19,323 | 19,620 | 19,842 | 20,064 | 20,323 |
Iran | 3/9/20 | 83,331,064 | 12,497 | 13,027 | 13,652 | 14,249 | 14,787 | 15,313 | 15,791 | 16,254 | 16,737 | 17,231 | 17,694 | 18,133 |
Iceland | 3/23/20 | 364,260 | 7,238 | 8,143 | 8,143 | 8,143 | 9,047 | 9,047 | 9,047 | 9,047 | 9,047 | 9,047 | 9,047 | 9,047 |
Cyprus | 3/23/20 | 875,900 | 4,515 | 4,515 | 4,515 | 4,515 | 4,515 | 4,515 | 4,891 | 4,891 | 5,267 | 5,267 | 5,267 | 5,644 |
Municipality | Date of Day 1 = day prior to breaching size-adj 1,000 COVID19 fatalities | Population | Day 25 | Day 26 | Day 27 | Day 28 | Day 29 | Day 30 | Day 31 | Day 32 | Day 33 | Day 34 | Day 35 | Day 36 |
New York | 3/20/20 | 19,795,791 | 167,410 | 180,362 | 192,881 | 202,970 | 213,458 | 222,448 | 230,888 | 238,846 | 246,854 | 254,745 | 262,036 | 269,062 |
New Jersey | 3/23/20 | 8,958,013 | 129,424 | 141,270 | 149,731 | 154,587 | 161,025 | 174,858 | 186,263 | 197,483 | 206,644 | 215,694 | 218,453 | 222,353 |
Connecticut | 3/23/20 | 3,590,886 | 89,114 | 95,080 | 99,668 | 103,431 | 122,154 | 130,597 | 141,702 | 150,421 | 161,892 | 170,887 | 176,668 | 184,653 |
Massachusetts | 3/25/20 | 6,794,422 | 75,666 | 82,748 | 87,744 | 95,116 | 105,836 | 114,469 | 123,976 | 132,416 | 140,613 | 145,657 | 152,933 | - |
Michigan | 3/24/20 | 9,922,576 | 73,932 | 76,622 | 79,345 | 81,903 | 89,608 | 93,394 | 98,874 | 102,428 | 108,705 | 110,067 | 113,123 | 118,503 |
Louisiana | 3/20/20 | 4,670,724 | 62,373 | 71,475 | 77,825 | 81,565 | 85,587 | 89,397 | 91,443 | 93,701 | 99,134 | 103,932 | 108,659 | 112,963 |
Rhode Island | 3/29/20 | 1,056,298 | 56,471 | 58,966 | 63,022 | 67,078 | 70,510 | 72,694 | 74,566 | - | - | - | - | - |
District of Columbia | 3/24/20 | 672,228 | 42,161 | 44,612 | 47,064 | 51,476 | 54,907 | 62,261 | 68,144 | 75,007 | 80,890 | 87,264 | 90,695 | 93,147 |
United States | 3/25/20 | 329,556,365 | 38,664 | 40,661 | 42,094 | 44,444 | 46,622 | 49,954 | 51,949 | 53,755 | 54,881 | 56,259 | 58,355 | - |
Pennsylvania | 3/28/20 | 12,802,503 | 41,701 | 44,275 | 44,353 | 45,974 | 47,416 | 48,162 | 50,093 | 52,667 | - | - | - | - |
Illinois | 3/27/20 | 12,859,995 | 34,826 | 37,902 | 40,413 | 43,463 | 46,230 | 48,280 | 49,792 | 51,048 | 54,456 | - | - | - |
Delaware | 3/27/20 | 945,934 | 25,084 | 28,568 | 31,007 | 32,052 | 34,839 | 39,020 | 41,807 | 43,549 | 47,730 | - | - | - |
Indiana | 3/26/20 | 6,619,680 | 27,979 | 28,327 | 31,364 | 32,907 | 35,148 | 36,890 | 39,081 | 40,475 | 42,018 | 44,856 | - | - |
Colorado | 3/24/20 | 5,456,574 | 23,494 | 24,702 | 25,427 | 27,058 | 29,232 | 31,768 | 33,641 | 40,586 | 40,465 | 40,949 | 42,579 | 44,452 |
Georgia | 3/23/20 | 10,214,860 | 19,712 | 21,325 | 21,616 | 22,003 | 24,745 | 26,133 | 27,004 | 28,101 | 28,681 | 28,939 | 29,262 | 31,649 |
Mississippi | 3/27/20 | 2,992,333 | 18,613 | 20,154 | 21,256 | 22,137 | 23,018 | 24,340 | 25,000 | 25,221 | 26,322 | - | - | - |
Ohio | 3/29/20 | 11,614,373 | 17,309 | 18,614 | 19,579 | 20,175 | 20,657 | 21,366 | 22,672 | - | - | - | - | - |
Nevada | 3/24/20 | 2,890,845 | 17,214 | 17,670 | 18,012 | 18,582 | 18,582 | 21,318 | 22,230 | 23,142 | 23,484 | 23,484 | 24,966 | 24,966 |
Virginia | 3/29/20 | 8,382,993 | 13,720 | 14,742 | 16,236 | 17,140 | 17,612 | 18,005 | 19,342 | - | - | - | - | - |
Florida | 3/29/20 | 20,271,272 | 15,054 | 16,030 | 16,989 | 17,135 | 17,444 | 17,672 | 19,037 | - | - | - | - | - |
Washington | 3/8/20 | 7,170,351 | 11,444 | 12,501 | 13,467 | 14,616 | 15,811 | 17,603 | 18,798 | 19,763 | 20,958 | 22,199 | 22,889 | 23,486 |
Vermont | 3/18/20 | 626,042 | 13,160 | 14,213 | 14,740 | 15,266 | 15,792 | 18,424 | 18,424 | 19,477 | 19,477 | 20,004 | 21,057 | 21,057 |
Wisconsin | 3/29/20 | 5,771,337 | 14,104 | 14,675 | 14,961 | 15,189 | 15,646 | 16,046 | 17,131 | - | - | - | - | - |
Oklahoma | 3/27/20 | 3,911,338 | 12,049 | 13,818 | 14,239 | 15,082 | 15,840 | 16,346 | 16,430 | 16,599 | 17,441 | - | - | - |
California | 3/27/20 | 39,144,818 | 10,296 | 11,079 | 11,997 | 13,075 | 13,630 | 14,245 | 14,447 | 15,154 | 15,693 | - | - | - |
Kansas | 3/29/20 | 2,911,641 | 12,564 | 12,677 | 13,243 | 13,469 | 13,582 | 14,261 | 14,375 | - | - | - | - | - |
South Carolina | 3/27/20 | 4,896,146 | 8,346 | 9,087 | 9,423 | 10,096 | 10,568 | 11,173 | 11,712 | 11,914 | 12,923 | - | - | - |
Idaho | 3/28/20 | 1,654,930 | 10,156 | 10,753 | 10,753 | 10,753 | 11,152 | 11,152 | 11,550 | 11,948 | - | - | - | - |
North Dakota | 3/29/20 | 756,927 | 6,095 | 6,531 | 6,531 | 6,966 | 7,402 | 8,272 | 8,272 | - | - | - | - | - |
Oregon | 3/27/20 | 4,028,977 | 6,135 | 6,380 | 6,380 | 6,789 | 7,035 | 7,116 | 7,443 | 7,525 | 8,098 | - | - | - |
Montana | 3/29/20 | 1,032,949 | 4,467 | 4,467 | 4,467 | 4,467 | 4,467 | 4,467 | 4,786 | - | - | - | - | - |
Maryland | 3/31/20 | 6,006,401 | 39,669 | 43,729 | 45,375 | 47,076 | 55,745 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Missouri | 4/1/20 | 6,083,672 | 15,168 | 15,276 | 16,035 | 17,876 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
New Hampshire | 4/1/20 | 1,330,608 | 14,860 | 14,860 | 14,860 | 14,860 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
New Mexico | 4/1/20 | 2,085,109 | 14,699 | 15,647 | 16,437 | 16,595 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Kentucky | 3/30/20 | 4,425,092 | 14,448 | 15,118 | 15,491 | 15,714 | 16,086 | 16,757 | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Alabama | 3/31/20 | 4,858,979 | 14,175 | 14,447 | 14,853 | 15,464 | 16,413 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Minnesota | 3/31/20 | 5,489,594 | 13,267 | 14,648 | 16,329 | 17,169 | 18,070 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Arizona | 3/30/20 | 6,828,065 | 12,404 | 12,935 | 13,273 | 13,369 | 13,369 | 13,273 | - | - | - | - | - | - |
North Carolina | 4/4/20 | 10,042,802 | 11,912 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Iowa | 4/1/20 | 3,123,899 | 11,815 | 12,448 | 13,398 | 14,347 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Maine | 3/30/20 | 1,329,328 | 10,908 | 11,652 | 12,396 | 12,396 | 12,644 | 12,644 | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Nebraska | 4/1/20 | 1,896,190 | 9,211 | 9,559 | 9,559 | 9,733 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Tennessee | 3/31/20 | 6,600,299 | 8,987 | 9,337 | 9,487 | 9,587 | 9,387 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Texas | 4/2/20 | 27,469,114 | 8,110 | 8,386 | 8,626 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Arkansas | 3/31/20 | 2,978,204 | 5,201 | 5,311 | 5,533 | 5,643 | 6,307 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Puerto Rico | 4/1/20 | 3,680,058 | 4,657 | 4,746 | 4,746 | 7,701 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Alaska | 4/3/20 | 738,432 | 3,124 | 4,017 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Same here. I can't talk to the fearmongers any more. Not that I even want to.
I need to go through all the first few weeks of threads and make note of all the FR fearmongers wanting us all to hide under our beds with pacifiers, so I'll know who to ignore in the future. This thing has been a real eye-opener for me.
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