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To: Kaslin
BOGUS!! You cannot be an Orthodox Jew AND a "messianic jew". They are diametrically opposed. Orthodox Jews accept the Torah and its commentaries as their only religious input. Messyonics believe that you can be a Jew AND believe in J.C. Actual Jews (not Messyonics, who are cult members) recite prayers every single day declaring that there is only one G-d that they worship. The Christian religions have G-d and J.C.

This article is total baloney.

7 posted on 04/05/2020 8:58:43 AM PDT by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

You have a limited understanding of Christianity. One can indeed be a Christ worshipping Jew. Almost all early Christians were


13 posted on 04/05/2020 9:01:49 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: EinNYC

Michael Brown is alleged to have co-authored this. He is not listed. So that may be why the two make sense together - different people.

It does not alter the fact that the article is baloney.


14 posted on 04/05/2020 9:02:44 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: EinNYC

Ummm, it’s an article co-authored by two people. One is an Orthodox Jew, the other is a Messianic Jew. Both are proud & happy to be Jewish.

If a person can be an atheist or agnostic Jew (and there are many) one can also be a Messianic Jew.


16 posted on 04/05/2020 9:03:44 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG!!!)
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To: EinNYC
“BOGUS!! You cannot be an Orthodox Jew AND a "messianic jew”

The article has two authors. One is an Orthodox Jew, the other a Messianic Jew. Michael Brown is a Messiaic Jew who is also Pentecostal I believe.

22 posted on 04/05/2020 9:12:14 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: EinNYC

“This article is total baloney.”

You’re as confused as the article’s author and perhaps as bigoted as the man he writes about.


25 posted on 04/05/2020 9:19:52 AM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: EinNYC
They are diametrically opposed. Orthodox Jews accept the Torah and its commentaries as their only religious input. Messyonics (sic) believe that you can be a Jew AND believe in J.C. (sic) Actual Jews (not Messyonics (sic), who are cult members) recite prayers every single day declaring that there is only one G-d that they worship. The Christian religions have G-d and J.C. (sic).

It seems to me that one can be a Jew and believe in Jesus as the Messiah and one's personal savior. All of the writers of the Brit Chadashah (New Testament) were Jewish. Most of the first Christians were Jews, and that remained the case for decades following the crucifixion of Jesus. There are several Messianic Jewish synagogues in my area.

26 posted on 04/05/2020 9:19:57 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: EinNYC

Ibtz


28 posted on 04/05/2020 9:23:40 AM PDT by cowboyusa (America Cowboy Up)
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To: EinNYC
BOGUS!! You cannot be an Orthodox Jew AND a "messianic jew".

True, 98% of Orthodox Jews are anti-Christian.

The term Messianic Jew (you forgot to capitalize - some bias there perhaps) is self explanatory.

Orthodox Jews accept the Torah and its commentaries as their only religious input.

False. Like all religions, Judaism has become corrupted. In its case, supplemented by oral teachings. If only Orthodox Jews omitted the leaven and did follow the Torah to the letter.

Messyonics believe that you can be a Jew AND believe in J.C. Actual Jews (not Messyonics, who are cult members) recite prayers every single day declaring that there is only one G-d that they worship. The Christian religions have G-d and J.C.

Yeshua is the son of God. Some Christian religions (maybe most) attempt to make them one in the same to get around the above. A literal reading of the scriptures lays is out perfectly.

This article is total baloney.

No, it's not "total" baloney. As someone who once supported Wiles, I do denounce Wiles for reducing Jewish/Christian religious differences to emotional, sometimes outrageous, soundbites. Wile's knowledge of the Bible is superficial. After I realized this, I pretty much stopped listening to him.

If Wiles said this, then Wiles is failing to follow Christ's first command to love one another.

Protestant Christians need more pastors who align their message in the style of Billy Graham and not Rick Wiles. And Catholics, what's with Pope Francis?

Not directed at you, but It surprises me how little real knowledge of scripture many of today's Jews have - just my observation - and I can say the same about many of today's Christians.

40 posted on 04/05/2020 10:59:17 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: EinNYC

The article was authored by TWO people. One a Orthodox Jew, the other not.


43 posted on 04/05/2020 11:29:50 AM PDT by Jacob Kell
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To: EinNYC
BOGUS!! You cannot be an Orthodox Jew AND a "messianic jew".

The article is by two different people, one Orthodox and one messianic.

47 posted on 04/05/2020 2:00:20 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: EinNYC

I thought the title referred to two Jews.


48 posted on 04/05/2020 4:28:38 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: EinNYC; teppe
The Christian religions have G-d and J.C.

Just like Mormons...


50 posted on 04/05/2020 6:01:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EinNYC
The Christian religions have G-d and J.C.

I'm going to guess you aren't Christian

Christianity holds that there is only one G-d that we worship. Jesus is not a separate God. Jesus is the "emanation" or embodiment of the ineffable God in this material world. To a Christian this is summed up as "In the beginning was The Word, Jesus Christ. The Word was with God and the Word WAS/IS God" - not "a" god but God

So Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit are not three separate Gods but the One God.

52 posted on 04/06/2020 1:46:39 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: EinNYC
Actual Jews (not Messyonics, who are cult members) recite prayers every single day declaring that there is only one G-d that they worship.

Easily 2/3rds of the Christian world recites a creed that begins "I believe in one G-d ...". We aren't polytheists any more than you are.

53 posted on 04/06/2020 7:22:45 AM PDT by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: EinNYC
BTW, what about the article is "total baloney"? Maybe you could give us some choice quotes. Are you sticking up for the anti-semitic "Christian pastor," Rick Wiles, whom the article is attacking? You don't sound like someone who would stick up for anti-semites.

Maybe the simpler explanation is that you denounced the article without even reading it, simply because the title had the words "messianic Jew" in it.

54 posted on 04/06/2020 7:25:07 AM PDT by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: EinNYC
BOGUS!! You cannot be an Orthodox Jew AND a "messianic jew". They are diametrically opposed.

They're two different people. Feldstein is the Orthodox Jew, Michael Brown is the "messianic Jew."

56 posted on 04/06/2020 8:01:22 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Modernism began two thousand years ago.)
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