Posted on 04/01/2020 6:25:36 PM PDT by Enlightened1
IOWs you’re calloused to the 20k to 60k deaths from flu each year.
No need to write an essay to say that.
Your decimal point is off, it is 2.3% fatality rate in confirmed cases (5110 fatalities/215,215 confirmed cases in the USA...16x worse than “regular” flu). But of course “confirmed cases” is too low for “actual undetected/untested cases in the US”)...but even if you say “2 million cases in the US”, that is still 0.2% death rate (2x “regular” flu).
Also several kids under 10 have died in the US:
https://abc7ny.com/coronavirus-connecticut-infant-dies-from-baby-covid-19/6069718/
So if you are over 60 or suffer from diabetes, hypertension, a heart condition or cancer or have a compromised immune system, we are going to need you to shelter in place for the bext 3 months.
What if ya check off two or more of the listed diseases *-?
‘Bunkered in’ in Sunnyvale
Onward!
A six month old in Conn died this afternoon.
Do you read what you write?
Good gosh..I'd just off myself if I was you..
Yes and Italy has been caught doing the same thing.
So while Coronavirus death count goes up all other normal death counts are dropping like flies.
For example, if you have someone on their death bed from Stage 4 cancer and they have symptoms of Coronavirus. If they die, then they are being labeled as Coronavirus death. Never mind the stage 4 cancer death bed. Even Italy health agency admitted this.
Sorry you are not up to speed about this. Oh that’s right the media never told you this.
The best cure for this disease is to elect Democrats! /s
“Oh...Everyone is going to die..”
Where did I say that? You trolls think that you can quote people out of context, except you don’t even quote them, you insinuate.
“Do you read what you write?”
Do you read what I write? You surely didn’t comprehend it if you did.
“Yes and Italy has been caught doing the same thing.”
This is a myth.
The death rate in Italy has been 16 times their normal in the affected region. Multiple reports from assorted towns. Only 4 times normal were officially attributed to CCP-19, the regular 1 times and another 11 times attributed to natural causes. And they were not counting anyone not in a hospital. Same in Spain, and to an extent in France and the UK and Germany.
Meanwhile, in the US, today’s CCP-19 deaths were 10 times the average in-season deaths from the flu. And half of those were in NYC. So, in NYC, from CCP-19, they had 5 times the average daily in-season deaths from the flu for the whole country, just in 1 city. 5 times as many as the whole country normally has. In 1 city.
“So while Coronavirus death count goes up all other normal death counts are dropping like flies.”
Please substantiate your claim that there is a significant drop in deaths from “all”, or even any, other causes. It’s a FluBro myth, for the most part.
Contagious disease deaths should be down some (excluding CCP-19 deaths) and deaths from vehicular mayhem, since nobody is going anywhere. But what else? The flu accounts for 40% of all communicable disease deaths, so CCP-19 has wiped out the total of all communicable disease deaths 4 times over (100/0.4 = 250, which is 1/4 of today’s CCP-19 deaths). Vehicular deaths are about 110 per day. So that means that if CCP-19 mitigation entirely eliminated both communicable disease and vehicular deaths in the US, there were still 650 extra CCP-19 deaths today. That’s assuming the total elimination of all communicable disease deaths and traffic fatalities, which we know isn’t the case. Let’s do the real math. What else have you got to offset that? 650 more deaths to offset.
Of course, that’s false logic, anyway. If we did it the FluBro way, there would still be all those communicable disease deaths and traffic fatalities, plus God knows how many people dropping dead in the streets from CCP-19 induced heart attacks, aneurisms, etc. Plus the dead in the hospitals from different causes that might have lived if the hospitals weren’t overwhelmed.
But God forbid your portfolio takes a hit just so some thousands or hundreds of thousands of fellow Americans might live.
“Again, THE 0.2 is confirmed cases. The actual rate is likely lower for those 10-40 than seasonal flu. Get it? How many times do you have to have that explained to you?”
Only until you get the math right, even with your cherry picked stats. Show your sources and calculations, please.
“There is no damn good reason those under 40 shouldn’t be allowed to work especially once hospital capacity, testing and the number of ventilators increase.”
Which hasn’t happened yet. We’re all hoping for some countermeasures. The ventilators are being built (80%ish of those on ventilators die anyway) and trials of treatments (HCQ+AZT is promising but doesn’t help you if you are too far gone) are in progress. Yay!
But your premise is false. Those under 40 live with other people who are not under 40, shop with other people that are not under 40, etc. They have kids that need to be watched which is almost always done by people that are not under 40. Your (arbitrary) age of 40 would cause even more disruption and turmoil than what’s happening now. You’d literally be restructuring the entire economy. More than half the workforce would be sitting it out and the least experienced would be trying to pick up the slack.
“That needs to happen in weeks, not months. And, other healthy middle aged people should have the option.”
Nobody is healthy. Some people are just less unhealthy. There are plenty of examples every day of some “healthy” 30 year old physical education teacher succumbing to CCP-19. Children, too, though not too many of those. How would it work, though? Who decides who gets to sit it out and who doesn’t?
If the FluBros and the people that recognize the seriousness of the situation but are impatient don’t screw up the next 30 days we might keep it mostly down to 1 month. Otherwise we’ll all be sitting on our behinds for another month because enough narcissistic a-holes decided they were special.
Just get with the program so we can get past this.
Then we get to smack China for causing all this crap.
Nope it is not a myth. That was from their own publication. This is dating back from March 18th.
In medicine, comorbidity is the presence of one or more additional conditions co-occurring with a primary condition.
Example: Someone with stage 3 or 4 cancer who then also gets the coronavirus COVID-19.The official death toll from coronavirus in Italy is: 2,503
The Italian Higher Institute of Health shows that the ACTUAL death toll in Italy from COVID-19 if you remove comorbidity is: 12 people. The link to the Italian government site is in the article. I used Google Translator.
If true, then almost no one will be dying from cancer or those other diseases, should everyone be infected. Odd way for Italy to play with the stats?
Shocking. Candace is great, but is this information verifiable from multiple sources?
Unfortunately, it looks like almost 200 children died from the last flu season. So the flu is more harmful to children than COVID-19. Yet we have never instituted any government orders whatsoever to try to reduce flu deaths among children.
You can’t contain COVID-19 either. If you had completely shut down travel in and out of the U.S. before the virus entered here, then you could have. But now that it’s here, the pee is in the swimming pool. Stay-at-home orders are an admission that the virus cannot be contained. That’s why the population is being contained. Because the virus hasn’t been and won’t ever be.
The hospitals in this country and others have done a good job of finding more space and making more room. It’s a big country. We certainly have the room. And if all those people staying home are asked to build hospitals like people in WW2 were asked to build weapons, they could be built. The fear of running out of hospital beds is just hyped up and overblown. Technically the ones we have now would run out but we are exercising plenty of easy options to make more.
You don’t imprison the entire population when the death rate for this among the younger is no worse than the flu. You could easily tell just the elderly to stay at home and spend far less than $2 trillion to get their groceries delivered and give a corona test to anyone who lives with them or wants to visit them. And anyone who tests positive for corona and lives with an elderly person can be quarantined in a dorm/hotel like they did in South Korea. Problem solved in an extremely economical fashion.
Your statement is true for the current state of COVID-19, and the govt. reaction may well be an over reaction. But we won’t know until COVID-19 becomes “endemic” at 30-45 million cases like the several strains of “regular” flu during a normal or bad flu season. If it comes in at about a 0.2% fatality rate (my “WAG” based on current #’s) that is about 90,000 fatalities. Since hospitals run at about 85%-95% capacity during a normal flu season, adding 80-90 thousand extra “flu” patients to hospitals is serious. So is the govt. overreacting? Maybe, or maybe not...we may never know what the “death rate” would be w/o “shelter-in-place” orders. It may be a year (w/a vaccine) before we can de-brief this pandemic.
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