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The Marine Corps plans to get rid of its tanks and shrink its force to take on China
businessinsider. ^ | 3/24/2020 | Jeff Schogol, Task & Purpose 16 hours ago

Posted on 03/24/2020 10:46:40 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19

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To: RomanSoldier19
From the source:
The 10-year plan involves more than cutting Marines. The Corps also plans to increase its rocket artillery capacity by 300% and add anti-ship missiles, the statement says.

Small units are effective with the proper support. The problems have been:
Artillery -- range
Air support -- weather
Rocket artillery and anti-ship missiles could be real game changers.

41 posted on 03/25/2020 12:17:25 AM PDT by SanchoP (Living your life in fear is merely existing. You might as well be dead already.)
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To: MurrietaMadman

Neither was I. It’s entirely possible - so much so that people that seem to think that that “well, the Chinese can’t get here” need to go have their head examined.

If we reduce trade and dependence on China, this becomes less of a problem. As it is we have literal millions of containers in transit between the US and China, sitting on Chinese ships in port, or sitting on docks in US ports. And we don’t inspect but a tiny fraction of them! This scenario is entirely possible.


42 posted on 03/25/2020 12:17:54 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr; All

That’s what the new Marine amazon battalions are for.

The enemy will be screwed for sure. /s


43 posted on 03/25/2020 12:21:54 AM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!))
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To: Secret Agent Man

They have used tanks in Afghanistan and Iraq. Can’t answer percentages of missions though, but it is likely a low percentage in Afghanistan.


44 posted on 03/25/2020 12:25:23 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: MrEdd; Mark17

Correct. The reason China won’t invade Taiwan is because for decades Taiwan’s not so secret response plan has been to load up B61-equivalent nuclear bombs on their F-16s or their current stealthiest platforms and send them to every single mainland city they can reach. There is no shortage of brave Taiwanese male (and now no few female) pilots willing to volunteer for this, even if it’s almost assuredly a one way trip. The reality is that the mainland Chinese forces cannot ensure that one of them doesn’t get close enough even to Beijing to toss-bomb before dying, let alone their far closer coastal industrial belts. Taiwan has ensured that if they go down, China as an industrial or financial power goes with it even if they don’t hit Beijing.

Otherwise, the Chinese would have steamrollered them like they did Tibet.


45 posted on 03/25/2020 12:26:24 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I think you’d have to define ‘missions’ - as in down to the small unit/fire team level individual missions/patrols? Or do you mean overall, such as embassy protection being one mission, naval security being another, operations in Afghanistan being a third, etc.?


46 posted on 03/25/2020 12:28:13 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

It’ called ARTY, towed 105’s and 155’s.

1st BATT, 12th MAR, 3rd MAR DIV.

Vehicles and troops in the open-—FIRE FOR EFFECT!


47 posted on 03/25/2020 12:33:21 AM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: 5th MEB

Yes, but you’re assuming they’re in the open, not in, say, an Ardennes type engagement where overhead degrades artillery. And the old Corps didn’t have smart munitions, plus you’d have to get a direct hit on a T-64 or T-72 to stop it.

And arty can’t help you in a city with lots of tall buildings unless you want to spend a lot of time and munitions busting them up. The Old Corps didn’t exactly have a lot of anti-tank munitions in their infantry units...


48 posted on 03/25/2020 12:37:40 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

That would make being a Marine a tankless job


49 posted on 03/25/2020 12:48:24 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: RomanSoldier19

This guy is an idiot!

Suggest he parachutes into the Mideast naked and uses harsh language, let us know how that rapid deployment works.


50 posted on 03/25/2020 12:54:50 AM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is applied Marxism!)
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To: Spktyr

I suspect part of the problem is that the US doesn’t currently have a light tank/tank destroyer solution (which the US Army is actually presently looking for) and the Abrams isn’t actually all that air- or sea-mobile as modern versions of it are **74 tons**. Getting the M1A2C/D to the beach is going to consume a lot of sea or airlift that could be used for more vehicles and troops.
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Sherman tanks were used in the Pacific Theater...Obviously, Sherman tanks were not very heavy...

I thought about M551 tank...But, that light tank is no longer in service...


51 posted on 03/25/2020 12:58:06 AM PDT by L.A.Justice
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To: Secret Agent Man

Majority of them.

Thrust of Marine warfighting doctrine led to the use of Combined Arms. The idea being any one weapon system has another counter weapon system to oppose it. The trick is to task organize for the terrain and situation.

I don’t know of a Grunt out there who wouldn’t prefer to have his own Armor in his Task Organization. While other arms might be attached directly or indirectly, or scheduled, it is much more assured when they are organic in direct support to your unit.

Drones aren’t Armor. As an arm, they may be valuable, but if somebody is shooting machine guns and sniper rifle fire and they know the terrain better than yourself, a tank is a nice weapon to have on hand.

I know they have a large maintenance tail, but they do help secure terrain and sure assist infantry to secure asymmetric warfare conflicts.


52 posted on 03/25/2020 1:06:53 AM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: L.A.Justice

The 551 was an utter death trap, especially when it hit a mine. It had (essentially) caseless ammunition sitting out in the open in the fighting compartment and when hit the thing would just go up.

Saving myself typing by linking a prior post on a similar subject: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3604214/posts?page=25#25


53 posted on 03/25/2020 1:08:19 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: 5th MEB

“...the rest of it was in a place with nothing but red mud.”

Alabama no doubt? That whole state was nothing but red mud that dried on your shoes turning them into red bricks.


54 posted on 03/25/2020 1:35:30 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Slo-Joe Biden... puts the Dem in Dementia.)
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To: LegendHasIt

If this article is true (from the Wall Street Journal), then the Commander is an idiot.

How did the 3rd ID in Iraq help end the war? My son’s company, the 299th Engineering Company MRB and the 54th Combat Engineers had an amphibious assault on Iraqi forces on the eastern banks of the Euphrates River at Hindaya (Objective Peach), seizing and clearing enemy positions there so that the rest of the Bridging company could put up the first ribbon pontoon bridge in US military history.

This enabled the 3rd ID lighter vehicles to cross, under sporadic enemy fire (my son was a boat driver at this site, which meant holding the pontoons in one position because of the downstream currents of the river). They brought the men and supplies over to support the tanks who had seized the concrete bridge upriver.

Army elements had seized the remaining concrete bridge over the river from the Republican Guard so that the heavier Abrams tanks could use it to cross and start the “Baghdad Run” from the West (while my son-in-law’s 4th Marine Division started their run from the East).

Islands in the Pacific have rivers and creeks etc. running all thru them (as our Marines and Army found out at great cost during WW2). The same happened in Vietnam (Dong Ha bridge and NVA riverine forces in Quangtri Province.

You need bridges to help get troops and equipment over them. Period.


55 posted on 03/25/2020 1:52:19 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: RomanSoldier19

This guy may literally be a Manchurian Commandant.


56 posted on 03/25/2020 2:30:53 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (It's no coincidence that the DemocRAT/media complex always sides with America's enemies.)
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To: ocrp1982

I play cornhole with a 102 year old Army vet of the Pacific on Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima. He told me the Marines did all the real fighting and the Army mopped up. He was a BAR man. He’s going strong, and will be 103 in September.


57 posted on 03/25/2020 2:47:57 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.for corruptiion)
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To: mad_as_he$$
It’s easier to invade if you soften the target up with nukes.

If they soften it up like that, maybe any reason they had for invading in the first place, would be moot. 😁

58 posted on 03/25/2020 2:58:59 AM PDT by Mark17 (Father of US Air Force Officer, 2/3 of the way through USAF pilot training. One more aircraft to fly)
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To: Mark17
The Chinese will never invade the US either. They don’t have the troop transports.

But they will have Canada, and maybe Mexico.

59 posted on 03/25/2020 3:09:43 AM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: RomanSoldier19
Rubber bullets. They'll bounce back and we can use them over.


60 posted on 03/25/2020 3:12:10 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Kill-googl,TWTR,FCBK,NYT,WaPo,Hwd,CNN,NFL,BLM,CAIR,Antfa,SPLC,ESPN,NPR,NBA,ARP)
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