You bet your bippy they did! And bragged about it.
Posted on 03/24/2020 5:58:31 AM PDT by knighthawk
You bet your bippy they did! And bragged about it.
That is the reasoning?. Doesn't seem to work very well, scientist wouldn't engineered it this way, but turns out nature is smarter than scientists.
Sounds to me exactly like what Chinese scientists for the CCP would create. Something that would seem not to be how they would engineer it so they could claim plausible deniability.
Which strain did they test, S, L, or both?
Supposedly the S strain is not as effective at spreading, nor is it as deadly.
However, the L strain does spread faster, and is more deadly.
So I think this whole question is far from settled. For all we know this "scientist" is yet another who is on the CCP payroll. Lord knows we have uncovered quite a few. This may well be just another we haven't exposed as of yet.
So color me still skeptical and unconvinced of the CHiCom innocence on this matter.
Why bother with the intemediary, and just inject the 2015 hybrid into Wuhan lab bats, knowing they are going out the back door?
Canadian government scientist under investigation trained staff at Level 4 Lab in [Wuhan] China OCT 3, 2019
Earlier reporting by CBC on July 14th (see below) stated Dr. Xiangguo Qiu and her husband and an unknown number of students were escorted out of the Canadian Level 4 lab. The Canadian government had been investigating them for months and had evidence there was removal of unauthorized material from Winnipeg to China. From the little information allowed to be publicly released it seems there was intellectual property or technology leakage. However, the important aspect of this is that this group was involved in setting up the Level 4 lab in Wuhan.
This was biological warfare perpetrated on the world by the Chinese with their “silent” partners among the worldwide left!
There is no way the Murdoch boys are going to find themselves denied access to China or HK or the PLA. None.
Top Reasons To Believe the Wuhan Virology Lab Caused 2019-nCoV
The Outbreak Started Across The Street From A Virology Lab
[1] The official story is that 2019-nCoV started in a seafood market in Wuhan. Unclean animals sold there were carrying the virus, Chinese scientists have suggested, and, as a result, some unlucky shoppers ended up becoming patient zeros for a global crisis.You’ve probably already heard that explanation before, and there’s a good chance you’ve accepted it as a fact — but there are some glaring problems with it.For one thing, the first patients with 2019-nCoV have no connection to the market whatsoever. They lived nearby, and they appear to have spread the disease to people who went there —
The real patient zeros never actually stepped foot inside of the market.
[2]Also, 2019-nCoV is believed to have originated in bats — and this was a seafood market. Nobody was selling bats inside of this market. Bats just aren’t something people in Wuhan normally eat.
[3]Even China’s scientists have started backing away from this theory. To quote one directly:“It seems clear that [the] seafood market is not the only origin of the virus…
But to be honest, we still do not know where the virus came from.”
[4]A lot of people have pointed to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is just a 30 minutes drive for the seafood market. But if that’s not close enough for you, there’s another lab that researches bat coronaviruses that’s even closer:
The Wuhan Center for Disease Control & Prevention.It’s not just on the other side of town. It’s on the other side of the street.
[5]The Wuhan Virology Lab Was Studying Bat Coronaviruses:
The Wuhan Center for Disease Control & Prevention isn’t just an administrative office. Scientists were inside that building actively conducting research — including studies on coronaviruses in bats.
[6]A lot of researchers in Wuhan were. It had been a major project for the city, and the Wuhan Institute of Virology took great pride in.
They were at the forefront in researching the causes of SARS, and it was their researchers who had proven that the last SARS outbreak originated in bats.
[7]They had to look at an awful lot of sick bats to do it, though. Researchers had been gathering bats infected with the coronavirus since at least 2012, and they were focusing on ones that could spread their illness to human beings.
[8]There were hundreds of bats in Wuhan’s labs when the 2019-nCoV outbreak started, and the researchers there were studying at least 11 new strains of SARS-related viruses in them.
[9] And, yes — they were doing it across the street from the place where the outbreak started.
82019-nCoV Is a 96% Match For A Bat Virus In The Wuhan Virology Lab
The coronavirus that’s spreading around the world at this very moment has been called “novel” because it’s unique. It’s different from past diseases, like SARS. About 30% different, to be exact.That’s not just a number we pulled out of our heads. Scientists have compared the genetic sequence of SARS to 2019-nCoV, and they’ve found that they’re about 70% similar.
[10]That’s a rough number — the real one might be a bit higher. But the real number probably isn’t 96% — which is the percentage match scientists have found between 2019-nCov and a form of the coronavirus carried by bats inside of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
[11]“But wait a minute,” you say. “If those bats had the virus, there were probably bats all around Wuhan that had it — right?”Afraid not. 2019-nCoV isn’t just similar to bat coronaviruses in general — it’s similar to a very specific strain of bat coronavirus carried by bats in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Not every bat coronavirus has that 96% match — in fact, when another lab compared 2019-nCoV to their own bats, the closest match they could find was 88%.
[12]And those bats weren’t local. If you were living in Wuhan and you really wanted to find one of those bats, you’d either have to go to the virology lab or to the place those bats had come from: Yunnan and Zhejiang.That’s a little over 900km away.
[13]7An Infected Bat Bled On A Researcher Shortly Before The Outbreak
Ok, so a disease lab was researching diseases. So what? That doesn’t prove that it ever got out — right?
While it’s highly unlikely that the Wuhan Institute of Virology deliberately plagued its own people, it really wouldn’t have been that hard for somebody to catch it by accident.Imagine if a bat attacked a researcher and, in the chaos, spilled its blood onto his bare skin. Or imagine if he got a bit too close and got bat urine on his body. Or imagine both of those things happened to the same person not long before the 2019-nCoV outbreak began.That’s exactly what happened.
According to a report by Chinese researchers Botao and Lei Xiao,
[14] A researcher named Junhua Tian described these exact experiences in an interview with the Changjiang Times.Junhua Tian claims he quarantined himself to keep from spreading these disease — but even if he and his colleagues used every possible precaution, it’s possible that the virus still could have leaked out.One thing we’ve learned since the outbreak is that people can show no symptoms at all and still be infected. And, according to a recent study out of Japan, people who have recovered can still carry the virus
[15] SARS Escaped From A Beijing Lab Twice
Of course, it’s also possible that the staff at the Wuhan Institute of Virology just didn’t use every possible precaution.It wouldn’t be the first time someone’s walked out of a Chinese virology lab carrying a deadly sickness. It’s happened before — in fact, it once happened twice in a single month.
[16]On April 4, 2004, a postgraduate student working at a virology lab in Beijing was diagnosed with SARS. She had gotten infected while researching the virus, and, unaware that she was sick, walked out into the public and very nearly caused a second outbreak.That’s pretty bad — but what makes it downright terrifying is that, two weeks later, another postgraduate student working at the exact same lab did the exact same thing.
That’s not just negligent. According to scientist Antoine Danchin, it should technically be impossible.“Normally, it’s not possible to contaminate people even under level two confinement if the security rules are obeyed,” he said after the incident. “It suggests there has been some mishandling of something.“The lab might have all the right rules, but the people may not comply.”TOP 10 CREEPY THINGS HAPPENING INSIDE CHINA5The Wuhan Virology Lab Was
Testing A Virus That Matches 2019-nCoV
In case there was any doubt, the Wuhan Institute of Virology definitely had postgraduate students on staff.We can confirm that because, on Nov. 18, 2019, shortly before the breakout, the institute put up a job posting
[17] Asking for postgraduate students to help study the coronavirus in humans and bats.That’s not exactly out of the ordinary — but the description in the job posting is a little disturbing. It says that they were particularly interested in molecular mechanisms that let coronavirus lie dormant for a long time without symptoms.Sound familiar? That’s one of the distinguishing traits of 2019-nCoV — the fact that people can go around without any apparent symptoms and still spread it.322 of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship tested positive without symptoms,
[18] and there’s proof that those asymptomatic people can spread the disease. In fact, one woman is confirmed to have spread it at least five people without showing any symptoms of her own
[19] 4 Researchers At The Lab Had Recently Created A New Coronavirus
The staff at Wuhan Institute of Virology didn’t just work on cures. They also spent some developing new, super viruses of their own.In 2015, two researchers at the Institute participated in an international experiment led by American scientist Ralph Baric.
[20] The goal? Create a new coronavirus with the ability to infect human beings.If that sounds like a weird goal to you, you’re not alone. A significant part of the scientific community was outraged by this experiment.“The only impact of this work is the creation, in a lab, of a new, non-natural risk,” biologist Richard Ebright protested when the work came out.
[21]French virologist Simon Wain-Hobson agreed. “If the virus escaped,” he warned,
[22] “nobody could predict the trajectory.”32019-nCoV Has Eerie Similarities to HIV
According to a controversial study out of India, some aspects of 2019-nCoV have “uncanny similarities” to HIV.
[23]Full disclosure — this study’s gotten a fair degree of scrutiny. Some scientists have questioned whether it used enough data to be statistically significant, and they’ve put it through the wringer enough that, at this point, the study’s authors have withdrawn their work.
[24]But while their work might be unproven, that doesn’t necessarily make it wrong — and there’s a little bit of evidence to back it up. HIV drugs are proving to be remarkably effective in treating the drug,
[25] and most patients are showing low white blood cell counts.
[26] — something that doesn’t happen with any other form of coronavirus.
[27]That’s creepy — because researchers in the Wuhan Institute of Virology have worked on or conducted studies combining SARS-CoV and an HIV pseudovirus in bats and humans.
[28]There’s no hard proof that the 2019-nCoV is a man-made virus — but if scientists ever find proof that it is, there’s a lot of reason to be worried.
The Communist Chinese Government Ordered Silence:
Infectious disease specialist Daniel Lucey got the chance to review the documents and data China had in its possession when 2019-nCoV broke out, and he came out of it baffled. Their official story, he said, just didn’t make any sense.“China must have realized the epidemic did not originate in that Wuhan Huanan seafood market,” Lucey told the press.
[29]Perhaps he was right. Perhaps somebody in Wuhan knew that the story didn’t add up even when they first announced it. But if they did, they were under strict orders not to say anything about it.On Jan. 2, 2020 — the day after the Huanan seafood market was blamed for the disease — the Wuhan Institute of Virology sent out a disclosure strictly “prohibiting disclosure of information” on 2019-nCoV.Some scientists have spoken up anyway. A good part of this article, for example, draws from a study by the National Natural Science Foundation of China called “The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus”.It might not surprise you to find out that, shortly after that study was released, the communist government did its best to pull it off the internet with as much vigor as they are using in attempting to stop people referring to the virus as a “Chinese virus” or as the “Wuhan flu”.
[30]1The Chinese Government Is Tightening Up Biolab Security.
The biggest smoking gun of them all came straight out of the mouth of President Xi Jinping.On Feb. 14, 2020, President Xi gave a speech on the need to contain 2019-nCoV. Chinese, he said, needs to “learn our lessons… so we can strengthen our areas of weakness and close the loopholes exposed by the epidemic.
[31]While Xi was never completely explicit about how those loopholes were to be closed, he did announce his plan to push through a new law for “biosecurity at laboratories” specifically targeting the use of biological agents that “may harm national security”.
The very next day, the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology followed up on Xi’s speech with a new directive entitled: “Instructions on strengthening biosecurity management in microbiology labs that handle advanced viruses like the novel coronavirus.”
[32]There’s only one microbiology lab in all of China that handles advanced viruses like the novel coronavirus. It’s the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
https://listverse.com/2020/03/20/top-10-reasons-to-believe-the-wuhan-virology-lab-caused-2019-ncov/
Thanks to ‘The Truth Will Make You Free’ for sending and posting the above data/link!
Thanks to Bon mots for the one page summary of the above and a cartoon summarizing this data.
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Its like they never heard of the Chapel Hill study and instead based the article on computer models instead of real life example.
Or
Its chinese propaganda
I think it was an accident, and was related to the research lab. What they were researching is anyone’s guess.
Other than high fast infection and spread of the virus that overwhelms your health care system leaving people dying in the streets, I can’t help it think our reaction is a bit panic extreme, but better safe than sorry.
No matter what the calls for further Govt control of Health Care will increase. I can hear the drum beat now.
Now that we have a cure, it’s time for a hard hitting debate on who is behind this demonic virus. Let me stir the pot a little - - -
https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196
“The ACE receptor is probably one of the most studied and understood receptors in the human body. Yes, this a ‘Novel’ mechanism of attachment and entrance to the human cell via the ACE receptor. Be that as it may, it doesn’t prove that it wasn’t designed. The governments could have access to: 1) ability to create a novel entrance. 2) another virus with similar binding that is ‘unknown worldwide’ that it could have been copied from. 3. There is potential with super computing that it could have been designed de novo.”
There is no need to design or build a virus that is both highly infectious and deadly to humans. You can take a naturally occurring infectious/deadly virus, introduce mutations and use selection to isolate candidates with the properties you want. Using techniques available for decades you can screen millions of candidates at a time. This would leave no telltale splicing point or junctions and would look entirely natural. I am not revealing any secrets, any Ph.D. microbiologist or molecular biologist worth a damn knows this already.
It started in Wuhan, China period.
"novel coronavirus causing COVID-19"
"persistent myth"
"new analysis of SARS-CoV-2"
And here's the rollout of lies:
A group of researchers compared the genome of this novel coronavirus with the seven other coronaviruses known to infect humans: SARS, MERS and SARS-CoV-2, which can cause severe disease; along with HKU1, NL63, OC43 and 229E, which typically cause just mild symptoms, the researchers wrote March 17 in the journal Nature Medicine.
I read the Nature report and it was shameful.
Straight off the bat, pun intended, the Nature report states the genomic sequencing data was provide by ...
wait for it ....
the PRC via the WHO.
Ta Da!
I don’t find it convincing at all. You have scientists using speculative assumptions as a basis for their ultimate conclusion.
Find me the intermediary host. This is ridiculous, Trillions lost, and we cant find the intermediary host. Where the heck is Waldo? Find me Waldo, dead or alive, which has this virus or its immediate or proximate predecessor. If 1.5 billion Chinese can’t find Waldo, then one has to wonder about Waldo’s existence. I mean, seriously, it is not like China actually looked for the dang, bat, rat, scaled ant eater, or whatever. I wonder why?
Yes, they were aware the virus did not make the bats sick but wanted to know if the virus made other animals sick.
Standard research activity.
It was the PRC that engineered it further to be a bioweapon.
There is no need to design or build a virus that is both highly infectious and deadly to humans. You can take a naturally occurring infectious/deadly virus, introduce mutations and use selection to isolate candidates with the properties you want. Using techniques available for decades you can screen millions of candidates at a time. This would leave no telltale splicing point or junctions and would look entirely natural. I am not revealing any secrets, any Ph.D. microbiologist or molecular biologist worth a damn knows this already.
Please consider this rebuttal of the Nature mag article. Both Nature and Scientific American have become vectors of propaganda; sad.
There was zero security in the Wuhan Biosafety 4 Lab. There was safety yes, but no security. That is a fact known from a November 2015 Nature publication on the China virus.
The PRC virologists kept the weaponized virus in lab cabinets. That’s also written in the November 2015 Mature publication.
So it was easy for a PRC regime officer to give the order to take a container of virus and spread it out at the Wuhan seafood market.
Now the party line is that the virus was a naturally evolved ‘novel coronavirus’ variant that came into the market.
The PRC Chinese never lie, doncha know that?
The data don’t support the conclusion, or the headline.
Assuming that their data are correct (I don’t have reason to doubt or substantiate them, but I’ll assume they’re accurate for the sake of the argument) the analysis does not actually show that the virus was not engineered, as the journal article claims.
To claim that a highly effective “hook” is necessarily the “result of natural selection and not genetic engineering” is unsound. Most of genetic engineering is the insertion of a gene which is naturally occurring in one organism, into another organism. The gene is then both the product of natural selection (in the originating organism) and the product of genetic engineering (in the destination organism). This is not an “or” question.
According to the study, the Scripps authors were using computer models that are wrong. They predicted that the new hook would not be very effective, when it actually is. They then conclude that gene engineers would not spend time implanting it, because they would focus on something that computer models projected would be more effective. This assumes that the Chinese researchers were using models with the same flaw as that used by the Scripps analysts. Unless you have information on the models they were actually using, this conclusion is unwaranted.
That genetic structures are similar to those of other, harmless organisms, is an indication that this is more likely the product of genetic engineering, rather than less likely, though it is not decisive.
The rest of the article is just speculation from unwarranted conclusions.
I have no idea what your point is. My point stands as a counter to this chinese seemingly propaganda piece
All that article says is that the COVID-19 is so similar to other COVIDS that is is not manufactured.
That proves pretty much nothing.
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