Flu season deaths top 80,000 last year, CDC says

CNN ^ | September 27, 2018 | Susan Scutti

[Vendome]

An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This means it was the deadliest season in more than four decades -- since 1976, the date of the first published paper reporting total seasonal flu deaths, said CDC Spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund.

In previous seasons, flu-related deaths have ranged from a low of about 12,000 during the 2011-2012 season to a high of about 56,000 during the 2012-2013.

• Flu caused an estimated 80,000 deaths last fall and winter
• The 2017-18 season ranks as the deadliest in more than four decades
• Record 900,000 flu hospitalizations last year

[joma89]

More proof that the power of media and the internet can take a normal, yearly event and blow it completely out of proportion.

This is the world we live in folks. The lemmings running off the cliff have been given the power through the uber-connected world to not just get the local lemmings to run off the cliff but they can now get all lemmings world-wide to get in a plane, fly to the local area, get a rental car, drive to the cliff in question and then...run off it.

JoMa

[Buckeye McFrog]

A logical conclusion would be that (unidentified) Chinese virus was circulating last Fall.

[ronnie raygun]

Record 900,000 flu hospitalizations last year
And health care system wasn’t overwhelmed.

something sticks more than rotten fish here

[Vendome]

Stop using “reason”

Idiot..../s

[MAGAthon]

death rate for covid-19 is NOT KNOWN. why do people keep repeating nonsense.

imagine if every one of those 80,000 deaths had been reported endlessly by the FakeNewsMSM. that’s what is happening in this election year. why? especially as it’s nearly the end of March, which is when the season ended, according to the article.

[Right Wing Assault]

Just hope the fish don't start getting the Commie Flu.

[MAGAthon]

btw how long can the Deep State/Dems/FakeNewsMSM keep this up, given -

Wikipedia: Flu season
In the United States, the flu season is considered October through May. It usually peaks in February.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flu_season#Timing

8 Jul 2019: WHO Europe: The 2018–2019 influenza season in Europe has finally drawn to a close, having begun in late November and peaked between late January and early February
http://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/communicable-diseases/influenza/news/news/2019/7/the-influenza-season-is-over-for-now

following tells nothing about death rate, but nonetheless these are the latest figures:

23 Mar: Worldometers: Coronavirus Cases: 345,292
Deaths: 14,925
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

so how will the alarmists get to the millions they are hoping for, in order to achieve their political ends and prove their theory about exponential growth?

[JeanLM]

CDC own numbers on the site below don’t get that high but 2017-2019 was the worst by far. The worst week of that flu season saw 1,698 deaths. We are at 347 from 19.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/ go to graph and hit data. Flu year is from week 40 to 39 the next year.

[brookwood]

On the Diamond Princess everyone was tested, no there were no unconfirmed positives. 8 people died of Covid19 out of 712 who tested positive, so death rate was 1.12%. Those who had the virus without symptoms was estimated to be 17.9%. This rate is estimated because the delay between infection and symptoms is 3 to 9 days.
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.10.2000180

These people were older than the average for the US, which is encouraging.

[rb22982]

And yet, still less than 7,500 deaths in Italy, nearly all close to death anyway, and we are trying to kill the global economy. If I see where I found the 10% thing again (saw it several times last week), I’ll post it. Either way, there are lots and lots of people with covid19 not tested while all the bad ones are usually found, meaning the actual death and hospital rate is a magnitude lower than the CDR

[frogjerk]

And yet, still, out of 45 million flu illnesses that year, if 80,000 died, then the death rate was 0.2%. In comparison, if the death rate for COVID19 remains at 1.4% in the U.S., then 630,000 people would die. And, if our hospitals are running low on supplies, that death rate may increase, just like Italy's.

There were 45 million CONFIRMED cases of the flu? You are comparing apples to oranges if you are using estimates.

[daniel1212]

In comparison, if the death rate for COVID19 remains at 1.4% in the U.S., then 630,000 people would die. And, if our hospitals are running low on supplies, that death rate may increase, just like Italy's.

How can the death rate be 1.4% when as Fivethirtyeight.com reports, "the most recent survey, taken on March 16 and 17, found that, as a group, the experts think that as of March 15, only 12 percent of infections in the U.S. had been reported by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention," and the Guardian states that an est. 80% of the infected need no outside medical care, while the NY Times opines that the United States may already have 100,000 infected citizens.

What is the death rate of 471 out of 100,000?

Note that the 80k flu deaths (which the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases also provides) is also an estimate, while the number of those infected is likely higher.

[daniel1212]

COVID19 has a 1.3% death rate (currently) in the U.S. That’s 13 times higher than the typical flu. And it’s more than 6 times higher than the 2017 flu.

Besides what I said in post 52 , the high # of reported infections that makes NY the epicenter corresponds to the extensive testing NY has done in comparison with other states , while about 2/3 of the reported infections have been from (the "healthy" city of) NY city (99 deaths out of 471 nationwide), while NYC cancels remote coronavirus testing ...

Mar 22, 2020 · The city put the brakes on planned remote coronavirus testing sites Sunday and will instead divert resources to testing facilities at area hospitals. (https://www.kalmykphilly.org/2020/03/22/nyc-cancels-remote-coronavirus-testing-to) Thus a higher rate should be expected.

[daniel1212]

If this malaria treatment doesn’t work we are in for around 630,000 deaths. I am praying it works.

Collecting predictions.

[daniel1212]

CDC own numbers on the site below don’t get that high but 2017-2019 was the worst by far. The worst week of that flu season saw 1,698 deaths. We are at 347 from 19.

Somewhere the CDC (a mass of data) stated what many sources (NYT; Stat news; USA today, etc.) reference it as saying:

WASHINGTON, D.C., September 2 7 , 201 8 – Following a particularly severe 2017 - 2018 influenza ( flu ) season with a record - breaking estimated 900,00 0 hospitalizations and more than 80,000 deaths in the U.S. , the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases (NFID), along with public health and medical organizations , presented the benefits of flu vaccination - https://www.nfid.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/press-release-3.pdf

Which figure was the highest death toll in 40 years. During that 2017-2018 season, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was at or above the epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks. Nationally, mortality attributed to P&I exceeded 10.0% for four consecutive weeks, peaking at 10.8% during the week ending January 20, 2018, (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm) with older Americans dying at a rate of 169 Americans a day, or seven people per hour. (https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/older-flu-deaths-rising.html

[daniel1212]

All we have to do is look at Italy. Their death rate jumped when their hospitals were running out of supplies.

An adviser to Italy's minister of health, Professor Walter Ricciardi, said the coronavirus death rate in Italy may be higher than in other countries not only because of demographics -- Italy has the second oldest population in the world -- but also because of the way Italy records deaths of those who have tested positive for the coronavirus. "The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus," (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/03/21/so-thats-why-italys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-so-high-n2565445)

[PghBaldy]

They just estimate the flu deaths, and they add tens of thousands of pneumonia cases in too. Only a few hundred to a few thousand flu deaths a year. It is a big scam.

“Official annual respiratory viral surveillance data for the seasons 1976–1977 through 1998–1999 have shown that a mean of only 12% of “influenza specimens” actually tested positive for influenza virus.4 Between 1999 and 2001, there was positive confirmation of influenza virus for fewer than 10% of deaths recorded as caused by influenza. Although this proportion has increased in recent years (14% in 2002, 23% in 2003, 18% in 2004), in the absence of testing, cause of death is still only speculative.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/

[rb22982]

Yes, adjusted for the age of the US’ population, the death rate was estimated to be between 0.05% and 1% from the diamond princess cruise ship.

[Tired of Taxes]

Lots of people aren’t tested for the flu, either.

I’ve been reading that confirmed flu deaths are closer to 500/year in the U.S. and that the CDC exaggerates the estimated numbers in order to push vaccines.

For the record, even though I’m arguing that COVID-19 is deadlier than the flu, I’m not arguing that the country should be shut down or that a stimulus bill should be passed.

[Tired of Taxes]

The 80,000 flu deaths mentioned in the article is an estimate, and it was posted here as evidence that flu kills more people. My point was that, even if the flu has killed a greater number of people, COVID-19 could kill more.

The actual numbers of confirmed flu cases and confirmed flu deaths are far lower, but for that year 2017, I can’t find the number of confirmed illnesses/deaths.