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Biden Says High-Speed Rail Will Get Millions of Cars Off the Road. That's Malarkey. This is what happens when you think all of America looks like the Acela corridor.
Reason ^ | March 16, 2020 | Scott Shackford

Posted on 03/17/2020 6:50:48 AM PDT by karpov

In the midst of Sunday's presidential debate between Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders, Biden blurted out that his campaign's high-speed rail plan would take "millions of automobiles off the road."

This is the second debate in which the former vice president brought up the belief that bullet trains will get people out of their cars. This is, to put it mildly, extremely unlikely.

Biden's campaign site calls for "the construction of an end-to-end high speed rail system that will connect the coasts, unlocking new, affordable access for every American." Would bullet trains passing through major cities scattered across the U.S. actually get people out of their cars?

"The answer is no," explains Baruch Feigenbaum, assistant director of transportation policy at the Reason Foundation. (Full disclosure: The Reason Foundation publishes this website.) "High-speed rail primarily takes customers from aviation. Car travel might be substitutable with inner city buses, but we don't really see it in rail. That's not why other countries have built high-speed rail."

Feigenbaum notes that countries that have built high-speed rail have typically done so to reduce crowding on existing rail lines, not as a substitute for roads. The sole exception was China, which used it as an economic development project during a time when its highway system was much less robust than America's.

"Basically, Biden loves rail," Feigenbaum says, noting the vice president's roots in the northeastern Acela corridor. Indeed, the first high-speed rail project Biden says he'll focus on is increasing the speed of trains traveling from New York City to D.C. That region is the only part of America where rail travel has been shown to be efficient and profitable. Taking that mentality and trying to stretch it across the U.S. is absurd.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biden; boondoggle; highspeedrail; hsr; malarkey; masstransit; rail; tajmahal; traintonowhere; whiteelephant; williegreen
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1 posted on 03/17/2020 6:50:48 AM PDT by karpov
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This is from the land of 150 million shot dead. In other words Joe’s deteriorating mind.


2 posted on 03/17/2020 6:54:25 AM PDT by xp38
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To: karpov

Holy smokes how much prove do you need that HSR’s are a ridiculous waste of pretty much everything. The rats do love these things.


3 posted on 03/17/2020 6:54:28 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: karpov
Will it go 88 MPH?

4 posted on 03/17/2020 6:54:46 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: karpov

Just keep talkin’ plugs. At least for a few more months.


5 posted on 03/17/2020 6:56:16 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: karpov

Bullet trains would replace a fair number of airplanes, and a few cars. Would they be better? And how do we stop the ridiculous graft like in California.


6 posted on 03/17/2020 6:56:22 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: karpov

Yeah, I heard that the other night and, lucky for me I had already swallowed my sip of coke. Because “high” speed rail has been such a success where ever they’ve put it in. You know, like Amtrak has been such a success.


7 posted on 03/17/2020 6:56:58 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: karpov

The fascist wants to make the trains run on time?


8 posted on 03/17/2020 6:57:47 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cultsther)
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To: karpov

The guy who treats Amtrak’s NE Corridor as his own personal Lionel train set is bound to see more choo-choos as the answer.


9 posted on 03/17/2020 6:57:56 AM PDT by niteowl77
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To: karpov
"The answer is no," explains Baruch Feigenbaum, assistant director of transportation policy at the Reason Foundation. (Full disclosure: The Reason Foundation publishes this website.)

The Reason Foundation is absolutely right about this. But they would be saying the same thing even if they were wrong.

10 posted on 03/17/2020 6:59:59 AM PDT by x
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The guy who treats Amtrak’s NE Corridor as his own personal Lionel train set is bound to see more choo-choos as the answer.

An endorsement of trains from the guy whose own little choo-choo is going round the bend right in front of our eyes.

11 posted on 03/17/2020 7:01:36 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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RE:”This is the second debate in which the former vice president brought up the belief that bullet trains will get people out of their cars. This is, to put it mildly, extremely unlikely. “

How's public transportation looking now with isolation strategy?

12 posted on 03/17/2020 7:01:54 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Elect tough guy Joe: Joe wrote the bill that banned the AR-14s)
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To: xp38

And 750 million (USA) women forced back into the labor market.


13 posted on 03/17/2020 7:03:42 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Dum Spiro, Pugno)
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To: karpov

Passenger rail? Getting cars off the road? This is more for treating sheeple like cattle than anything.


14 posted on 03/17/2020 7:04:02 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: karpov

Another free pot of cash for the rats to spend


15 posted on 03/17/2020 7:04:10 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (nicdip.com)
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To: karpov

The USA invested in a massive automobile interstate highway system following WW2. Europe and Japan, on the subsidization of United States military largesse, we able to basically start from scratch and develop modern passenger based rail service.

For the USA to begin working on high speed passenger rail now is actually an undertaking not really viable or affordable. It would require an entire overhaul of a system that is 80 years behind. This is a pipe dream o all pipe dreams and frankly I think we could colonize Mars with less money than to convert to high speed rail.


16 posted on 03/17/2020 7:04:42 AM PDT by KobraKai
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Trains are great but only if they go where you want to go.

Building out the NE lines- using existing, adding to existing - would probably be a win. A few years back, s**tty neighborhoods in north east Philly had homes selling for decent money. The neighborhoods were nasty, near I-95, the DE river and train stations.

Folks were making a mini NYC suburb and commuting to work.

17 posted on 03/17/2020 7:04:51 AM PDT by NativeSon ( What Would Virginia Do? #WWVD)
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To: karpov
Um, I think I'd rather not be on another Acela Express for the foreseeable future, packed in RR cars like sardines.

I'll drive my own car, thanks.


18 posted on 03/17/2020 7:07:16 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: karpov

Putting tin foil hat on...

Agenda 21 in action, high speed rails are part of the mix, people crowding into high population density areas and housing, stir in viral pandemic, hospitals overwhelmed, Guaranteeing that all EMTs, Nurses, and Drs get infected, or abandon posts, degrading the population of caregivers, killing off remaining staffing of said hospital beds, the average age of MDs is not exactly young, and those able to keep working will become rapidly exhausted

https://www.statista.com/statistics/415961/share-of-age-among-us-physicians/

Supply chains break down, distribution of goods and services in quarantined areas curtailed, industry grinds to a halt. Add in the roving bands of brigands staging home invasions and general highway robbery, mayhem, mass death, or depredation, 1%ers (elite) isolate, hoard supplies, wait, useless eaters (as they see it) deleted from earth, all better now.

https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/green-new-deal-—boldest-tactic-yet-to-advance-un-agenda-21

Taking tin foil hat back off (I think)


19 posted on 03/17/2020 7:08:02 AM PDT by HangnJudge (Kipling was right about humanity)
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high speed rail is great, it is fantastic, once you ride one , it is an experience.

that said, HSR in USA mainland is waste of money, I do not think it will work


20 posted on 03/17/2020 7:09:35 AM PDT by VAFreedom (maybe i should take a nap before work)
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