in other words > yer f'd
Posted on 03/12/2020 1:17:57 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi
Health officials in Italy have issued guidelines for rationing care as hospitals there struggle to keep up with the surge of patients infected with the coronavirus.
Doctors are being told that they'll likely need to deny care to senior citizens and those with other health conditions as the virus explodes across the nation. Italy has been rocked by the still not-well-understood COVID-29, with more than 1,200 confirmed cases and 827 deaths—second only to China—and 16 million residents currently under quarantine.
An article published by the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (translated here by Yascha Mounk) warns that "It may be necessary to establish criteria of access to intensive care not just on the basis of clinical appropriateness but inspired by the most consensual criteria regarding distributive justice and the appropriate allocation of limited health resources." The report goes on to recommend rationing care to certain populations.
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Go home and die, grandma!
Triage, it happens on every battlefield.
That is already happening from a interview of an Italy doctor I saw the other day. They have to choose who lives and who dies.
Since they say the overall majority of those sick are the elderly, this seems unusually cruel.
but i think in battle they always treat the sickest first right?
in other words > yer f'd
From what I have seen of the Italian health care system - lived there for nine years - it wouldn’t take much to overwhelm it. And even without the Coronavirus their care of the elderly was little more than hospice level. In some of their hospitals there isn’t even a third shift.... patients are on their own over night (hopefully they have family helping out).
This happens in every mass casualty event, be it war or disaster, terrorists attack or severe multivehicle car accident. If there is not enough medical resources for everyone, the medicos have to perform triage. Those who can wait for treatment, those that need treatment now, and those that are likely going to die soon even with treatment.
While it would be nice to blame this on socialized medicine, and it does make it worse, it really isn’t. On 9/11, first responders had to do the same thing with Towers victims. Some were left to die in a quiet area.
COVID-29 — ???
Should be COVID-19...
This is just more garbage. Well less then 1000 people have died in italy over 2 months. And you’re acting as if it’s over 1M. Add to that virtually all of the deaths had other serious contributing illnesses. Get a grip.
With single payor, comes rationing. They don’t tell you that.
It’s just a late, late, late-term abortion, Grandma!
Dad’s nursing facility called to tell me that they are pro-actively giving everyone (staff and residents) Tamiflu this week, even if they’ve had flu shots.
The don’t want to have a repeat of all the nursing home deaths in, ‘The People’s Republic of Washington State.’
Smart move, IMHO, and once again - thank your Lucky Stars you were born in America and we ALL had better crawl over broken glass to get to the polls this November!
That’s how it was when I was in the military...The worst off were the first to be treated. Those with non-life threatening issues were treated last or later.
Medical resources are not infinite even in our semi free market health care system. If it gets overwhelmed we will have to make these kinds of choices here. Hence the importance of flattening the curve of contagion. Then, even if the same number of people get infected, they can all be treated.
Likely need to deny. It hasn’t happened yet.
Per Doctor Obama, granny can take a pill and lie down.
helluva a way to prune the Medicare population!!
The elderly are disposable in a socialized system, they cost too much.
No, actually. The most badly injured that need help NOW are separated from those that can wait at least a little while. Of those needing help, there is a further division - those that are likely to survive treatment are helped first, those that are likely to die after treatment anyway are either left to die or will be treated after those more likely to survive are.
It is brutal, it has to be uncompromising, it has to be heartless. But it has to be done, otherwise limited resources are frittered away on patients that die and those that could be saved won’t be. Humanity was forced to figure this out after the horrific mass casualties of the Napoleonic wars, when wars started to become industrialized and wholesale instead of retail slaughter - the name itself is French. It didn’t really happen too much in the American Civil War, but it made a comeback in the enormous butcher’s bill of WW1 and it’s been with us since. Triage is “the division into three:” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage
If you’ve had *any* recent first aid/mass casualty event training, you are taught to do this. There isn’t a choice unless you have a Star Trek replicator sitting next to you printing out medical supplies and AI doctors.
“In some of their hospitals there isn’t even a third shift”
Wow amazing.
That’s probably what the left’s ‘Medicare for all’ and single payer system would look like.
Remember what Bloomberg said, if someone is 95 and they go to the hospital with treatable cancer tell them to go home and just die.
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