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Why Did Saudi Arabia Start an Oil Price War?
This Week In Asia ^ | March 10, 2020 | Meaghan Tobin

Posted on 03/10/2020 4:25:20 PM PDT by CheshireTheCat

Global oil demand was already in the doldrums amid widespread restrictions on trade and travel in the wake of the novel coronavirus outbreak

But Russia balked at oil production cuts, the Saudis slashed prices in retaliation and global markets went into a tailspin on Monday

(Excerpt) Read more at scmp.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 202003; iran; irandeal; kag; maga; oilprices; russia; saudiarabia; transactions; trump
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To: Fungi

Because there is not answer to the question of why an arab / muslim does anything. Even if they tell you something you can’t believe it.

MBS probably isn’t even sure himself why he did what he has done now. The young man is off on a power trip I think. He did it in 2014 / 2015 and he is doing the same thing again.

If you figure out the arab / muslim mind please let me know because you will be the first to do it.


21 posted on 03/10/2020 5:04:27 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

They did it five years ago and it didn’t seem to hurt them too much at all.


22 posted on 03/10/2020 5:06:00 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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To: Sequoyah101

They need high oil prices to keep the welfare state going..there trying to force opec to the table...


23 posted on 03/10/2020 5:10:45 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Sequoyah101

They have also spent a lot of their wealth fund. Anything under $50 a barrel is not good for them. Russia needs hard currency and they have a lot of oil, so this may get interesting for a bit.


24 posted on 03/10/2020 5:12:07 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood (https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3804407/posts?q=1&;page=61)
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To: SkyPilot; Roman_War_Criminal; null and void; Syncro; HeadOn; Bulwyf; Maudeen; 444Flyer; metmom; ...

Magog - Russia (IMHO)
Sheba and Dedan - Saudi Arabia
Persia - Iran
House of Togarmah - Turkey

Lots of stuff going on in and about with these places.

Ezekiel 38 - no doubt it will happen


25 posted on 03/10/2020 5:17:19 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: grey_whiskers

[ Who is MBS? ]

Mohammed bin Salman (sp)

Unless you were being rhetorical.


26 posted on 03/10/2020 5:18:41 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Sequoyah101

[Because there is not answer to the question of why an arab / muslim does anything. Even if they tell you something you can’t believe it.]


It’s fairly simple. You hit equity and bond holders and the banker providing financing to frackers often and unpredictably enough, and they stop funding these endeavors in the amounts necessary to keep US production at current levels. I have investments in the sector. I am bleeding from every orifice.

Oil isn’t just under siege from structural cost issues, due to excessive debt, as well as the fact that fracking ain’t cheap. It’s also under attack from SJW fund boycotts, Bloomberg-funded environut interest group lawsuits shopping for a friendly District Court or Court of Appeals, as well as the possibility of a Democratic administration in 2021.

Bottom line is that the Saudis have the wind at their back re any attempt to rein in fracking output. They don’t need to, and can’t, eliminate US production. All they need is to bring it back down a few million barrels a day. Chinese demand will take care of keeping prices high. Chinese auto sales touched 26m cars a year in 2019 vs about 17m stateside. China’s annual car sales were 1.8m cars in 1999.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/business/china-car-sales/index.html
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2000/05/30/business/toyota-to-enter-chinese-market/


27 posted on 03/10/2020 5:23:36 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood; CheshireTheCat

Well of course they want the highest price possible. But they cannot control the market. All the OPEC members break their quotas, but this year they couldn’t even come to agreement on their quotas. Russia said it would not abide. So the KSA decided to slash prices and increase production. I think they can produce up to 11-12 million barrels per day. And they have the lowest cost of production of anyone. So if oil drops 25% but they ramp production 15% they don’t lose too much net net at the end of the day.

I think other factors are also at play. Harm Iran is definitely on the list of positive side effects. And, burn the alternative sector like fracking and shale oil producers who need $30-$40 oil to stay in business.

And also, it harms Russia. Russia is more diverse an economy but they may be getting a bit overstretched with their foreign adventurism. Iran is one of Russia’s biggest customers. So Russia will take a hit. And I am sure the KSA doesn’t like seeing Russia in Syria or in Africa.


28 posted on 03/10/2020 5:25:05 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

[They have also spent a lot of their wealth fund. Anything under $50 a barrel is not good for them. Russia needs hard currency and they have a lot of oil, so this may get interesting for a bit.]


Both the Russians and the Saudis will come back to the table. Neither can take a 50% oil revenue reduction for very long. Saudi Arabia has far more staying power than Russia, though - (1) its sovereign wealth fund is 7x Russia’s, (2) it has 1/4 the population, i.e. fewer mouths clamoring for a share of the oil revenues and (3) Russian oil, at $20 per barrel in production cost, costs twice as much to pump as Saudi oil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sovereign_wealth_funds

MBS is right - the Russian ability to survive $25 oil for any length of is minuscule. Before the price war, oil prices were at $45, yielding $25 a barrel in revenues for the Russians. At a price of $25, the Russians would get $5 a barrel in revenues. How will the Russians plug the 80% decline in revenues?

Whereas the Saudi drop, while serious, is far smaller - $45 - $10 (production cost) yields $35 per barrel pre-price war. Post price war, they get $25-$10 = $15 per barrel. That’s still a 60% drop in revenues, but it’s a lot better that Russia’s 80% decline. And as noted above, the Saudis have a bigger war chest and a smaller population over which to spread the oil revenues.


29 posted on 03/10/2020 5:26:00 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

DId you see bow OXY decided to cut their dividend to 11 cents a share?


30 posted on 03/10/2020 5:32:53 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: SaveFerris; SkyPilot

Been thinking about this lately.

If you read about the Ezekiel 38 & 39 battle or war, it does say they turn on each other and fight each other.

Russia and Turkey aren’t exactly on friendly terms lately. Putin humiliated Erdogan a few days ago too by making him wait extra long before admitting them. The body language was awkward and harsh.

Maranatha!


31 posted on 03/10/2020 5:37:35 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: grey_whiskers

[DId you see bow OXY decided to cut their dividend to 11 cents a share?]


My reaction is unprintable on a family forum. They would have inspired more confidence by firing their moron CEO, who took on massive debt to buy Anadarko because she wasn’t sure she could get an equity-heavy deal approved by shareholders. Among long-suffering OXY shareholders, Hollub is a name that will live in infamy.


32 posted on 03/10/2020 5:38:29 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: grey_whiskers

CVX shareholders are also thrilled at having dodged the Anadarko buyout bullet. Talk about a Pyrrhic victory for OXY.


33 posted on 03/10/2020 5:41:40 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear; metmom; CynicalBear; SkyPilot; tuffydoodle; tang-soo; righttackle44; ...
[Maranatha!]

Even so, come Lord Jesus!!



34 posted on 03/10/2020 5:50:07 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: SaveFerris
Even so, come Lord Jesus!!

❤❤❤❤

35 posted on 03/10/2020 5:57:40 PM PDT by PROCON (Molon Labe)
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To: SaveFerris

Cool graphic.


36 posted on 03/10/2020 5:58:30 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: CheshireTheCat
The artical never answered the question, why.

Could it have something to do with the 4 Princes that were trying to overthrow the King? Was this a way to show the minions that SA still controlled the price of oil

37 posted on 03/10/2020 6:05:24 PM PDT by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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To: jonose

Entirely possible, and frankly among the more logical moves they could do.


38 posted on 03/10/2020 6:11:02 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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To: DesertRhino

I fully agree with your post. There is just no upside to the House of Saud. Auto correct tried to make that House of Sand, and that might be right.

They are dreadful even to each other, and there has been another round of arrests of Saudi princes, including Bin Naef, who was formerly close to the CIA and British intelligence. The interminable war in Yemen was MBS’s idea, and no one in Riyadh dares call it a failure. This oil price war is his latest reckless move. I would not be surprised to see a coup against him, by the end of this year.


39 posted on 03/10/2020 6:38:27 PM PDT by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: SaveFerris

Amen!


40 posted on 03/10/2020 6:46:50 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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