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Autonomous Cars Struggle in Snow, but MIT Has a Solution for That
car and no driver ^ | FEB 25, 2020 | By Colin Beresford

Posted on 02/26/2020 10:40:34 AM PST by RomanSoldier19

Bad weather can render the cameras and lidar on self-driving cars useless. Researchers at MIT suggest ground-penetrating radar as the fix.

(Excerpt) Read more at caranddriver.com ...


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KEYWORDS: automotive; chat; chatforum; driverlesscars; joke; technology
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To: Moonman62
Motor vehicles were a major improvement over horses because of the speed, efficiency, and lower maintenance needs.

The problem with automated vehicles is that they are MORE expensive, aren't any faster than a regular car, and may ultimately achieve their safety improvements by operating slower than a conventional motor vehicle.

I've been saying for years that automated vehicles are a solution looking for a problem ... and I work professionally in an industry where I have to deal with this all the time.

41 posted on 02/26/2020 12:58:05 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Oh, but it's hard to live by the rules; I never could and still never do.")
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To: ctdonath2
If you're looking to save 50,000 lives, then what makes you think an automated vehicle is the optimal solution?

I have a solution that would work even better: Don't let vehicles operate faster than 25 mph.

Don't laugh. That's likely to be one of the ways automated vehicles achieve their safety improvements.

42 posted on 02/26/2020 1:02:02 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Oh, but it's hard to live by the rules; I never could and still never do.")
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To: Alberta's Child

There’s a lot of money and people being invested in the development of the technology. Maybe they see benefits you don’t.


43 posted on 02/26/2020 1:10:27 PM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: dp0622

C7 Z06. 650 hp. 3560 lb. fun to drive


44 posted on 02/26/2020 1:12:41 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: RomanSoldier19
The City Council Sustainability and Transportation Committee here in Portland Maine is having a presentation on a proposal for an Preparing for an autonomous shuttle pilot tonight at 6 pm. The shuttle would travel about 2 miles from a remote parking lot to our island ferry terminal making no stops along a busy tourist corridor in between. The power point blow is very disjointed as it talks about our other smart city initiatives interlaced with this project. But the raisin deter-re is the one of the last slides. Our lessons learned ● It doesn’t pay to be first. ● Overcommunication is better than undercommunication. ● Be the right level of ambitious. ● Coordination is key https://portlandme.civicclerk.com/Web/GenFile.aspx?ad=4747 Unfortunately I have a conflict with another meeting to hear and comment on our upcoming school budget which will cost us far more if the public does not keep the thump on our side of the scale.
45 posted on 02/26/2020 1:13:34 PM PST by Steven Scharf
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To: from occupied ga

NICE!!!!!!!!


46 posted on 02/26/2020 1:13:47 PM PST by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't point finger at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to makne ends meet)
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To: Moonman62
That's been going on for years. I'll bet most folks don't know how far back "self-driving technology" goes ...

Self-Driving Cars Were Just Around the Corner -- in 1960

47 posted on 02/26/2020 1:15:49 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Oh, but it's hard to live by the rules; I never could and still never do.")
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To: dp0622

NOT fun to buy tires for. Also Doing my bit to keep the gas companies in business :-)


48 posted on 02/26/2020 1:16:58 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

lol


49 posted on 02/26/2020 1:18:46 PM PST by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't point finger at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to makne ends meet)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Actually the answer has been in front of people all along but has really never been brought up. The answer to the automated car is to place sensors in the road in which the AI computer reads. However, the technology for smart roads is much further down the road and is too expensive to accomplish at this time. These sensors could relay information to and from the car. We already have the sensor technology available to us. We do not have the ability to maintain the current roads that we have now. Adding sensor technology in or on the road would mean a drastic overhaul of the current infrastructure. AI in cars would go so much further if every car and every road had this. It was passed up because of the cost. Now we measure the cost of AI in cars in the cost of lives. Sensors in the road could relay things like speed limits, light signals, distance to the next car, and staying in the lane to switching lanes from the one the car is in. However, one other thing that is of an issue that must be contended with is GPS issues from satellites needs to be much further in technology and software. Right now GPS has a much further road to travel to be more accurate.

BTW cars already have sonar, sort of, in the form of collision detection.


50 posted on 02/26/2020 1:23:37 PM PST by zaxtres
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To: dp0622

700 HP and rear wheel drive is why last year during the snowstorms the most cars that were in the ditch were all challengers and mustangs. Sometimes humans are worse drivers than computers!


51 posted on 02/26/2020 1:26:06 PM PST by zaxtres
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To: zaxtres

I couldn’t get down the block in an ice drizzle.


52 posted on 02/26/2020 1:28:45 PM PST by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't point finger at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to makne ends meet)
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To: RomanSoldier19

They’d better also add pot hole detection too....


53 posted on 02/26/2020 1:31:53 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I want an impeachment pen)
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To: Alberta's Child

Fine, I’ll try to not laugh.

Obviously that’s not a viable solution, because we’ve had decades to implement it - and haven’t.
GA freeway normal speed is 80 MPH ... even where posted 55.

What makes me think automated vehicles is _a_ solution: informed predictions are a 10x reduction in fatalities per mile per vehicle. Even a fraction of that would save lives over what we accept now. It’s likely to actually be used (unlike a 25 MPH limit) because it’s at-speed (at least keep up with normal traffic), convenient (push button), comfortable (no micro-adjustment focus needed), and cool (hey, it’s a self-driving car).

Yes, I’ve studied the issue, and been following it for decades.


54 posted on 02/26/2020 2:19:10 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Democrats oppose democracy.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Magnets embedded in the road surface and magnetic sensors on the vehicles would be a more simple solution.


55 posted on 02/26/2020 2:22:39 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: TalBlack
They’re gonna come up with some gizmo that is easily implanted into roads that solves this aND the definition of “hick town” will be anywhere that you have to actually drive your car yourself.

Magnets.

56 posted on 02/26/2020 2:23:43 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Olog-hai

Back in 2010, we bought a 2006 Sentra with a 5-speed, and it took weeks to find anything with a manual transmission. That little car now has almost 150,000 miles, and is showing its age. We need to start looking for a replacement soon, since we both still want a stick.


57 posted on 02/26/2020 2:56:36 PM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: zaxtres

I’ve seen far more 4x4s in ditches than RWD, as the former think they can drive through any weather, while the latter are more careful, if even out in the snow.


58 posted on 02/26/2020 2:57:54 PM PST by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: Nuke From Orbit

If they could energize that cable to run your car while driving, and then go to battery, until you get back to the cable, now that would be interesting......
I stick to my truck


59 posted on 02/26/2020 3:21:40 PM PST by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: Olog-hai

I think only some small econocars, performance models, and heavy duty pickups have the manual transmission available now. Most of the models don’t even have a manual option.


60 posted on 02/26/2020 4:04:36 PM PST by nascarnation
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