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A Mexican Exodus Is Helping Shrink the Undocumented Population. The number of unauthorized residents in the United States is down to its lowest point in more than 15 years. Mexicans, Poles and South Koreans are all among those leaving.
New York Times ^ | February 26, 2020 | Miriam Jordan

Posted on 02/26/2020 7:42:33 AM PST by karpov

LOS ANGELES — José cared for the bottle-fed babies, 700 of them in all. He knew a calf was healthy if her eyes were bright and her appetite hearty. Droopy ears were a bad sign. He was attuned to calf coughs.

“His job was to do all things a mom would do to look after her young,” said Mary Kraft, who employed José and his brother, Juan, both undocumented immigrants from Mexico, for a decade at her Quail Ridge Dairy in Colorado.

Then about a year ago, the brothers informed Ms. Kraft that they were returning to Mexico. They had milked the land of opportunity and amassed enough savings to resume their lives back where they had started.

The pair are among a growing number of Mexicans who have been departing the United States in recent years, part of a reverse migration that has helped push the undocumented population to its lowest level in more than 15 years.

New data that will be released on Wednesday by the Center for Migration Studies shows there were 10.6 million immigrants living unlawfully in the United States in 2018 compared with 11.75 million in 2010, a decline propelled primarily by Mexicans returning south.

The issue of illegal immigration has become a centerpiece of the 2020 presidential campaign, as President Trump has stepped up deportations across the interior of the United States and further fortified the southwestern border against unauthorized entry.

Several Democratic candidates have called for decriminalizing border crossings; establishing pathways to citizenship for undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children; and relying on technology, not more fencing, to enforce the border with Mexico. They have also expressed support for focusing deportation resources on removing immigrants who are a threat to public safety or convicted criminals.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegal; immigration; selfdeportation; win; winning
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To: akalinin

There is a long and continuing tradition among Poles of finding advanced schooling and employment abroad and eventually returning home with their earnings and new skills. An Irish born building contractor in New York I once knew described how he hired any Poles he could get because they were characteristically hardworking and reliable.


41 posted on 02/26/2020 10:19:30 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: karpov; All

n the hundreds of postings here in Free Republic rarely is this brought up. It’s Known As Reciprocity. We should be treating anybody illegally crossing the Mexican border into the US the way the Mexican’s do;

Any American illegally .crossing into Mexico. Before being kicked out can get a heavy fine and possible imprisonment.

It’s time we consider illegal entry by any person who is a non Mexican citizen illegally entering the United States through the US Mexican border a defacto Mexican citizen with limited Mexican constitutional rights subject to their laws while transiting. As well as any Mexican citizen entering illegally exempting those who do so legally.

According to the Mexican constitution Americans legally in Mexico get a 2nd class treatment. Besides being unable to vote one must also be a citizen to own land and Mexico is very restrictive about granting citizenship. Because of that a US citizen besides not being able to vote,and cannot have title in their name to any land property in Mexico. It’s time the US should consider making that reciprocal.

Prohibit and fully legally enforce punishment to violators offering any illegal entrant employment, voting, and land ownership privileges .In other words the incentives to those thinking of sneakimg into this country are removed and those that do better expect expulsion no job no voting no landowning ..


42 posted on 02/26/2020 10:24:14 AM PST by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin posting here for the record hoping somebody might read and pass around)
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To: karpov

We should deport all illegals. No exceptions. Anyone deported should be permanently banned from travel to the United States, and they should be charged for enforcement costs if they have any assets at all. Again, no exceptions.


43 posted on 02/26/2020 10:31:27 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: akalinin

Or the South Koreans. I don’t understand why some people don’t like Asians. They’re quiet, hardworking people who stay in their own lane (figuratively speaking) and don’t race-bait. I’ve yet to meet an Asian who supported affirmative action or demanded that white university students not show up to class on a certain day.


44 posted on 02/26/2020 10:35:19 AM PST by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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To: karpov

NYT is creating a “labor shortage” meme.


45 posted on 02/26/2020 10:40:12 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Red Badger

I don’t believe Poland accepts any muslim immigrants.


46 posted on 02/26/2020 10:44:30 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: karpov
Stinking Fake News Alert!

Communist bastards just trying a rope-a-dope of their own to gloss over the 45-to-50 million of these migrant criminals who are currently in the United States...

The slimes knows that large-scale deportations are in the future with the President's 2nd term...

47 posted on 02/26/2020 11:47:16 AM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: Vigilanteman

You are not being honest. There was a third choice: open in America.


48 posted on 02/26/2020 12:11:24 PM PST by amihow
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To: amihow
As I said, I am a small cog in a big wheel. That simply was not an option for the big wheels. Hand assembly intensive industries are not likely coming back as much as we might like to think so. If you think they are, go on the internet and look for work at home schemes. Come back and tell me how many of them will actually make the person money versus making kit sales for the sellers.

One in 100 would probably be a high end estimate.

49 posted on 02/26/2020 1:13:28 PM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Your company could be hiring legal recent immigrants in U.S. with similar skills.

Those of us who have watched this maquila B S from the beginning just are not impressed with your arguments.


50 posted on 02/26/2020 1:57:40 PM PST by amihow
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To: Rockingham
There is a long and continuing tradition among Poles of finding advanced schooling and employment abroad and eventually returning home with their earnings and new skills. An Irish born building contractor in New York I once knew described how he hired any Poles he could get because they were characteristically hardworking and reliable.

I remember France had the same problem with Polish plumbers. They worked too danmed hard.
51 posted on 02/26/2020 3:00:56 PM PST by farming pharmer
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To: akalinin
There were lots of Poles, legal and illegal, when I lived in Chicago in the 1990s. Wallington, NJ has the highest % of people born in Poland in the entire United States.

I know many on this site (not you) like to scream about Mexicans/Latinos like they are the only immigrant group living here, but I noticed that you don’t see as many coming to North Jersey or even NYC as you did in the 80s and 90s. East Indians and Chinese are the biggies in my immediate area.

52 posted on 02/26/2020 3:07:24 PM PST by Clemenza
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To: Nothingburger
Half Polish Half Italian here. Always found it interesting that the hordes of Italians who settled in Argentina and Brazil faced little discrimination and assimilated very quickly, while it took three generations for them to do the same in the United States.

As I mentioned above, there was a sizable migration of Poles to the US in the 90s but it was highly regionalized. Some are going home, but not to the extent that Irish immigrants flew home when the Irish economy boomed.

53 posted on 02/26/2020 3:11:13 PM PST by Clemenza
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To: akalinin
Didn’t know Polish peoples were an immigration problem...

Anyone who is here illegally is an immigration problem.

I don't care who you are, where you are from or what language you speak.

If you are not here legally, go home.

54 posted on 02/26/2020 3:12:48 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A hero is a hero no matter what medal they give him. Likewise a schmuck is still a schmuck.)
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To: FormerFRLurker

Try again. Asians vote Democrat at the same rate as Hispanics, with Asian Indians voting Dem at the same percentage as African Americans. Non-western cultures are just less compatible.


55 posted on 02/26/2020 3:13:25 PM PST by Clemenza
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To: akalinin
So also with the British when the end of the Iron Curtain prompted an influx of Polish tradesmen, both legal and illegal. Householders and businessmen with repair and remodeling work to be done were said to jealously guard and trade contact information for Polish plumbers, electricians, carpenters, and painters. Unlike British tradesmen of the era, they showed up on time and worked hard and with competence. And their wives often worked as domestics and nannies, while their kids were noted for scholarship and good conduct. Most eventually returned to Poland, laden with cash and consumer goods.
56 posted on 02/26/2020 5:41:14 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: karpov

I have noticed a significant decline in the number Muslim women in hijabs I see in New York City from what I saw a year ago. I think Trump’s policies are responsible for this.


57 posted on 02/26/2020 5:43:37 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: Clemenza

My point is Asians already have the prerequisites to become conservatives; all we need to do is point out to them how they benefit from sound, common sense economic policies.

I’m married to an Asian. No radical leftists at this address.


58 posted on 02/27/2020 5:45:57 AM PST by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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