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"happened to be socialist" is strange wording. Being a socialist (actually a communist) is not some chance event that happened to Sanders. He has been striving for it his whole life.
1 posted on 02/11/2020 5:12:28 AM PST by karpov
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>>a “generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be socialist,”

how queer

“happened to be a neonazi”

“well-qualified”

What has Bernie or Obama or AOCortez accomplished in the private sector? What legislation did they write or pass while members of the House/Senate?


2 posted on 02/11/2020 5:18:21 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Everyone knows Hillary was corrupt, lied, destroyed documents, and influenced witnesses. Rat crime.)
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It’s really down to Bernie and Bloomberg, and everybody is trying to make sure it’s not Bernie.


3 posted on 02/11/2020 5:19:37 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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People don’t “happen to be a socialist”. Its a political belief system they actively chose.


4 posted on 02/11/2020 5:21:00 AM PST by escapefromboston (Free Assange)
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45% saying they would vote for a socialist is still too high.

Somehow the Republicans need to do what they can to educate people on the evils of Socialism.

A young (millenial) author - Justin Haskins - was on Fox and Friends this morning. His book: Socialism is Evil would be a good book to buy and pass around.

Just one of many.


6 posted on 02/11/2020 5:22:04 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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Mayor Pete’s dad, Joseph, was a founding member of the Gramsci Society. I believe he, like Obama, has learned to speak to the Proletariat
“Gramsci was a Marxist through and through. And the bedrock essence of Marxism—the cornerstone of the Marxist ideal of a this-worldly Paradise as the summit of human existence—is that there is nothing beyond the matter of this universe. There is nothing in existence that transcends man—his material organism within his material surroundings.”
“...such goals, like most of Gramsci’s blueprint, had to be pursued by means of a quiet and anonymous revolution. No armed and bloody uprisings.... Rather, everything must be done in the name of man’s dignity and rights.... [The new world must not only move beyond — it must learn to despise] the claims and constraints of Christianity, above all. ...
“Do that, he promised, and in essence you will have Marxized the West. The final step—the Marxization of the politics of life itself—will then follow.” [p.251]
from The Keys of this Blood by Malachi Martin, 1990 [734 pages]


9 posted on 02/11/2020 5:36:23 AM PST by griswold3 (Democratic Socialism is Slavery by Mob Rule)
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whereas just 17 percent of Republicans [would vote for a socialist]

Uh, shows how utterly corrupt these polls are. No genuine non-RINO non-globalist non-crony capitalist Republican would ever vote for a socialist. Ever

10 posted on 02/11/2020 5:40:48 AM PST by AndyJackson
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I really hate all socialists, Marxists and communists.
Karl Marx even coined the word capitalism so that he could have a boogeyman to compare communism against.


12 posted on 02/11/2020 5:55:02 AM PST by BuffaloJack ("Security does not exist in nature. Everything has risk." Henry Savage)
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The term Democratic Socialist does not appear to have been polled by Gallup in its survey.


Why?

I suppose thinking skills are that low. They will see the word democratic OR socialist but many can’t connect the dots.


15 posted on 02/11/2020 6:51:05 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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The worrisome thing is this -— 45% is a HUMONGOUS NUMBER.

If there are potentially 150 million voters, this tells me that there could be nearly 70 million people out there who are attracted to Bernie’s socialism. And I would bet that most of these are millenials.

If so, this does not augur well for our country’s future.


16 posted on 02/11/2020 7:11:37 AM PST by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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Gallup did that to get Joe Sixpack to not think about the answer much, and Joe told them to get stuffed.


18 posted on 02/11/2020 7:24:57 AM PST by StAnDeliver (CNN's Dana B: "Show of hands: Coverage for undocumented immigrants?" ***all Democrat hands raised***)
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“Happened to be a socialist” mitigates the direness, as if the socialist aspect wasn’t the entire driving force of who the candidate was, but merely a title.


19 posted on 02/11/2020 7:26:24 AM PST by FrdmLvr (They never thought she would lose.)
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is not some chance event that happened to Sanders. He has been striving for it his whole life.
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So exactly, how does a “Independent Socialist” run as a Democrat? Sanders serves as an Independent in Congress, yet runs as a Dem.

So, could any other Independent, Republican, Conservative etc., run as a Dem?


20 posted on 02/11/2020 7:34:07 AM PST by Yulee
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As another FReeper Posted, a Socialist is just a Communist who hasn’t murdered anyone “yet”.


22 posted on 02/11/2020 8:12:08 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Kill a Commie for your Mommy.)
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“Majority in new poll says they would not vote for socialist: Gallup”

Voting is racist: Democrats


24 posted on 02/11/2020 8:58:02 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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Wish the Media wasn’t so manipulative. This is pure anti Bernie timing.


25 posted on 02/11/2020 8:58:16 AM PST by wiseprince
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45% would???


29 posted on 02/11/2020 9:45:53 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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For likely voters this poll question is really would you vote for Trump or a generic Democrat.


30 posted on 02/11/2020 9:51:21 AM PST by Raycpa
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Asked whether they would vote for their party nominee who was a “generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be socialist,” . . .

That's like asking a woman if she would date a generally well-qualified man who happened to model his life after the character Hannibal Lecter. There is nothing that can balance the flaws in a man who has you over for dinner "with some fava beans and a nice Chianti" or a candidate who is socialist. Judging by history, the socialist is by far the worst of the two. How many did soviet socialist Stalin murder? How many did national socialist Hitler murder? How many did socialists Mao, Pol Pot, and those in Vietnam, North Korea, Bulgaria, Romania, Yugoslavia, and the rest murder? No, thank you. I'd rather "rub the lotion on my skin", Buffalo Bill style, than expose my children and future generations to a life under socialism.

31 posted on 02/11/2020 9:51:42 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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Problem is, young people are not taught the horrors of Socialism, Communism anymore.

They think it is very cool and their teachers embrace it. They are not shown the horrors of once rich countries, now Socialist, like Venezuela on the news or any media.

Boomers know because we saw the reality of it every night on the news. Communists were our enemy. It was a dirty word.


32 posted on 02/11/2020 9:55:43 AM PST by katnip
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“Being a socialist (actually a communist) is not some chance event that happened to Sanders. He has been striving for it his whole life.”


My grandfather got out of the USSR right at the beginning, in 1923, and pretty much by the skin of his teeth. One of his brothers was already here; the rest of the family was trapped there (with one exception) until the USSR (thankfully) collapsed. To say the least, Communism was not good for my family, in any way.

When I met one of my father’s cousins (then about 50), I asked him what it was like after so long to be free of the Communist government. His reply was, “Same wall, different wallpaper.”

I apply that to all of the various stripes of Socialism. They can call themselves whatever the F they want to, but they ALL have a basis in lies, in the coercive seizure of the work product of others, and (ultimately, when all of that fails) in murder. They violate 3 of the 10 Commandments from the very start (and add to that with their assault on religion, because their just cannot be anything or anyone greater than the Party).

Oh, BTW, if any of these numbnuts useLESS idiots voting for Sanders or similar Communists start spouting off about “democratic socialism” in the Nordic countries, or elsewhere in Europe, put them in their place by saying that these countries are NOT socialist in any meaningful way; they are, instead, merely welfare states. Oh, some of the parties (in or out of power) may have the word “socialist” or the word “democratic” (or both) in their name, but that is just plain advertising. It is NOT reflective of the reality.

What is shocking, almost beyond belief, is that ONLY 53% of people wouldn’t vote for a Socialist, and that 45% *would*. While I definitely think that Trump will wipe the floor (A.K.A. “schlong”) anyone that the Dems nominate (and Bernie more than anyone else), I fear for our future. The younger elements of our society did not grow up during the Cold War, and they have (as a group) very little if any knowledge of what Communism and its deceptive sibling Socialism really are. We may find out before long that you can vote your way into Socialism, but you have to shoot your way out of it.


33 posted on 02/11/2020 10:12:06 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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