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Russian Scientists Reveal Plans for Fusion-Fission Reactor It runs almost entirely on thorium, not uranium.
popularmechanics.com ^ | Jan 30, 2020 | Caroline Delbert

Posted on 01/31/2020 10:16:31 AM PST by cann

Russian scientists have published a concept for a new kind of nuclear reactor. It’s a hybrid reactor, meaning it includes both fusion and fission, and it runs almost exclusively on thorium instead of more volatile uranium. In computer simulations, the research team found its novel design of an “energy-generating blanket” could still produce high power with a relatively small footprint and not much radioactive waste.

There’s a lot to like about this design, including how it offers interesting middle-ground solutions in terms of fuel, reactor configuration, and safety. Thorium is one of the most abundant elements of its kind—more abundant than tin, which is so common and accessible that it’s one of the classical elements of alchemy. Uranium isn’t the rarest element in nature, but little of it is “available” in a common or affordable sense. If uranium were an asset, it would be a long-term CD with a penalty for convenient withdrawal.

In the hybrid thorium setup, thorium-plutonium pellets power a high-temperature, gas-cooled reactor. The paper doesn’t specify the gas, but existing coolants include carbon dioxide and helium. Gas-cooled reactors have always offered a way for reactors to make power using un-enriched, regular old uranium, making it more affordable and accessible to more countries. A hybrid reactor running on thorium could fill the same space.

A traditional nuclear reactor runs in critical state, but the hybrid thorium reactor instead operates in near-critical state. Instead of having a chain of neutrons produced by critical reaction, neutrons continue to pour in from a separate source. A magnetic field inside the reactor holds the powerful cloud of ionized gaseous deuterium plasma, which is the fusion part of the fusion-fission reactor. From there, neutrons spill out into a part the scientists call an “energy-generating blanket.” It’s this blanket where subcritical fission takes place, using neutrons from inside the plasma-filled magnetic tube.

The reactor itself is relatively small, with the plasma chamber measuring 12 meters in length. And by combining a fusion reaction with a fission one, the reactor maximizes efficiency. Compared with developing technology like the tokamak, this design could be much more down to earth, with less ramp-up time to performance and less volatility once it’s engaged.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: buffoonery; coldfusion; dumbass; foilhat; thorium
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To: cann

Get back when they actually make a working sustainable fusion reactor


21 posted on 01/31/2020 11:08:52 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: cann

All it needs is some unobtanium to work.


22 posted on 01/31/2020 11:08:57 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: DesertRhino

What’s your source regarding the lack of long-lived fission products?

This hybrid concept actually runs on U-233, which is fissile and can be used for nuclear weapons. Thorium-232 captures a neutron and U-233 is produced.

I recall looking into fusion-fission reactors back in the 1970s.


23 posted on 01/31/2020 11:10:30 AM PST by bagman
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To: cann

That would be great if true and we could get real cheap and carbon free energy. But because the word “nuclear” is in it, the envirowhackos will shoot it down.


24 posted on 01/31/2020 11:15:04 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (If gun ownership by private citizens scares DemocRats, the 2nd Amendment is doing its job.)
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To: cann

Are they going to build it in Chernobyl?


25 posted on 01/31/2020 11:18:18 AM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: Calvin Locke
It used to be used in those Coleman lantern glass mantles.

I've always heard those were slightly radioactive. One of these days I'm going to get myself a Geiger counter.

I've often wondered why. Is the material they're made out of inherently radioactive or is the thorium added for some particular property it gives?
26 posted on 01/31/2020 11:34:00 AM PST by chrisser
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To: Daffynition

Geez, I found my deed whatever you call it.over 6272640 of us own a square foot of the place. As kids we were rather gullible.

Caddis the Elder


27 posted on 01/31/2020 11:37:53 AM PST by palmerizedCaddis (Tight lines and right turns)
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To: brownsfan
Yep, I’ll believe it when I have one running my home.

If something like this actually worked, it would probably be good for neighborhood power. A huge percentage of electrical power in the grid is lost during transmission. If we could decentralize that, and have the generation facilities located close to those who would be consuming the power, much less actual generating capacity is actually needed than the standard grid.

28 posted on 01/31/2020 11:39:13 AM PST by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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To: outpostinmass2

I have a little problem with Popular Mechanics being the messenger for such a revolutionary process in nuclear science.

I basically remember the magazine for articles about making my bike sound like a motorcycle with only a clothes pin and a piece of cardboard.

(For those of you too young to know what a high tech device a clothes pin was at the time, maybe Google will have it)


29 posted on 01/31/2020 11:46:55 AM PST by wildbill (The older I get, the less 'life in prison" means to me)
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To: chrisser
Thorium oxide glows when heated. Gives off a nice white light. Back in high school I used to expose photographic film to those mantels, then develop the film to show the weave of the fabric in the mantels. O Very neat.
30 posted on 01/31/2020 11:49:20 AM PST by JoeFromSidney (Colonel (Retired) USAF.)
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To: JoeFromSidney; chrisser

Knew a guy back in the 1990s. He lived East of a N-plant (now closed), and took advantage of being supplied a radiation meter. Small counter-top device.

Being an outdoorsy guy, he was shocked when the delivery tech pulled the familiar glass mantle out of a lead envelope to calibrate the meter.

Coleman stopped using thorium upwards of at least 15 years ago.

So unless the Coleman mantle’s really old, or you hit some store selling cheap Chinese replacement crap, you might not find anything.


31 posted on 01/31/2020 12:08:05 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: zeugma

” A huge percentage of electrical power in the grid is lost during transmission”

About 1%.


32 posted on 01/31/2020 12:25:06 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Calvin Locke

“Being an outdoorsy guy, he was shocked when the delivery tech pulled the familiar glass mantle out of a lead envelope to calibrate the meter.”

Source check, not calibration.


33 posted on 01/31/2020 12:26:54 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: wildbill

Staple for the production of rubber-band Guns.


34 posted on 01/31/2020 12:30:44 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: cann

“A magnetic field inside the reactor holds the powerful cloud of ionized gaseous deuterium plasma, which is the fusion part of the fusion-fission reactor. From there, neutrons spill out into a part the scientists call an “energy-generating blanket.” It’s this blanket where subcritical fission takes place, using neutrons from inside the plasma-filled magnetic tube.”

Um.... If they can get controlled deuterium fusion working, why do they need a thorium fission reaction?


35 posted on 01/31/2020 12:41:02 PM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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To: VanShuyten

scale?


36 posted on 01/31/2020 12:43:17 PM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself.)
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To: TexasGator
About 1%.

According to this page, it's considerably more than that.


37 posted on 01/31/2020 12:55:16 PM PST by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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To: cann

Paging Pons and Fleischman, please pick up the courtesy phone in the lobby.


38 posted on 01/31/2020 12:57:55 PM PST by Rebelbase (Time for Trump to go Machiavelli on the democrats and never Trump republicans.)
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To: TexasGator
I thought those numbers looked a bit high. I think it was referring to what percentage of the loss is for the different sectors. Found this chart though, which is pretty cool, and shows overall distribution loss by state....

Source Doc is here

39 posted on 01/31/2020 1:04:30 PM PST by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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To: zeugma

Those are transmission AND distribution. You would still have distr8bution losses.


40 posted on 01/31/2020 1:07:47 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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