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Russian Scientists Reveal Plans for Fusion-Fission Reactor It runs almost entirely on thorium, not uranium.
popularmechanics.com ^ | Jan 30, 2020 | Caroline Delbert

Posted on 01/31/2020 10:16:31 AM PST by cann

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To: DesertRhino

Not really “new” technology... molten salt/thorium reactor theory has been around for decades. They also have “walk-away” safety. If all operators simply walked away a “plug” melts and all the radioactive material simply drains into an underground chamber and cools to become a non-radioactive blob of slag. Rickover opted for enriched uranium instead of the molten salt technology because you can’t make weapons of molten salt.


41 posted on 01/31/2020 1:22:51 PM PST by CaptainGrayBeard (Never start crap with an old guy. If he's too old to fight he'll just shoot ya!!!)
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To: zeugma

From your link:

Generally, smaller power lines mean bigger relative losses. So even though electricity may travel much farther on high-voltage transmission lines – dozens or hundreds of miles – losses are low, around two percent. And though your electricity may travel a few miles or less on low-voltage distribution lines, losses are high, around four percent.


42 posted on 01/31/2020 1:24:31 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
This author doesn’t understand what the word “volatile” means.

I'm pretty sure shed doesn't understand the term "asset" either, cause uranium is a pretty valuable asset.

If uranium were an asset, it would be a long-term CD with a penalty for convenient withdrawal.
43 posted on 01/31/2020 1:25:45 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: zeugma

“Distribution Sector considered as the weakest link in the entire power sector. Transmission Losses is approximate 17% while Distribution Losses is approximate 50%.”

This is referring to the weakest link. Of the total Losses, distribution is the weakest accounting for 50% of the losses, NOT 50% loss of transmission.


44 posted on 01/31/2020 1:34:42 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Svartalfiar

Yep. It’s pretty obvious that the author understands none of this and is essentially copying a press release. Somebody is going to have to do some real tap-dancing to convince me that this thing generates power through fusion.


45 posted on 01/31/2020 2:07:22 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: cann
Plutonium in the fuel is probably a non-starter for widespread use.

Still a clever design, and might be able to be engineered without the Plutonium or U-235, although that's unlikely.

46 posted on 01/31/2020 2:09:58 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: VanShuyten

That’s what I’m thinking. If it’s that easy to get fusion power, who gives a crap about the rest of the device?


47 posted on 01/31/2020 2:19:03 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: cann

I am no scientist, but if you have what appears to be sustainable fusion, why do you even need the fission part of the process? I know I am missing something.


48 posted on 01/31/2020 2:22:15 PM PST by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual and political hemlock)
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To: wildbill

Yeah, clothes pins rank right up there with duct tape for being high tech. LOL


49 posted on 01/31/2020 2:26:50 PM PST by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual and political hemlock)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

“this thing generates power through fusion.”

It is a CONCEPT!


50 posted on 01/31/2020 2:31:28 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: CaptainGrayBeard

” Rickover opted for enriched uranium instead of the molten salt technology because you can’t make weapons of molten salt.”

FAKE NEWS!


51 posted on 01/31/2020 2:38:07 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

“That’s what I’m thinking. If it’s that easy to get fusion power, who gives a crap about the rest of the device?”

They are NOT getting fusion energy. Fusion is a source of neutrons.


52 posted on 01/31/2020 2:39:46 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; VanShuyten
Um.... If they can get controlled deuterium fusion working, why do they need a thorium fission reaction?

D-D fusion is a tabletop curiosity (eg ICF reactor)which requires more energy input than output, but it produces neutrons. Not self sustaining tho. But if scaled a bit the neutrons can be captured by thorium eventually resulting in fissionable U-233. The resulting fission will exceed breakeven by quite a bit, and the fission produces extra neutrons which permit scaling to higher efficiency. Also I notice the lifecycle to U-233 produces some high energy electrons (beta) which could conceivably be utilized to improve the fusion.

53 posted on 01/31/2020 6:08:52 PM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote...)
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54 posted on 01/31/2020 6:15:45 PM PST by Oatka
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To: palmerizedCaddis
Funny how innocent we were. I fought with my brother over the deeds and the box tops....a stamp then was 3¢ beck then, IIRC.

We dreamed that if we got enough deeds to make a square foot, some day we could go there and stand on it; and just maybe there would be gold on it.

Innocent dreams, innocent times.

55 posted on 01/31/2020 6:24:10 PM PST by Daffynition (*I'm living the dream.* & :))
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To: TexasGator

They might want to dedicate more than a one-liner to that CONCEPT, it’s kinda the key to the whole thing.


56 posted on 01/31/2020 7:51:47 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

“They might want to dedicate more than a one-liner to that CONCEPT, it’s kinda the key to the whole thing.”

ROTFLMAO!

Thy did!


57 posted on 01/31/2020 7:58:42 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: DesertRhino

Hit thorium for a time period and then rotate that batch out. Chemically separate the non-thorium materials generated by the neutron exposure. The isolated protactinium content will decay to a fissionable uranium isotope. Easy peasy.

That said, this chemical reprocessing of hot materials is one of the difficult points to overcome for a salt based reactor with thorium as the fertile material. We could build a fast neutron version of a molten salt reactor which would burn spent reactor fuel and stored waste for many decades, without need for a thorium breeder.


58 posted on 01/31/2020 10:17:27 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: pierrem15

Fast neutrons generated from a stand-alone source can split U238.


59 posted on 01/31/2020 10:29:12 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: TexasGator

Fusion component generates neutrons without generating an abundance of energy.


60 posted on 01/31/2020 10:31:35 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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