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New coronavirus can cause infections with no symptoms and sicken otherwise healthy people, studies show
STAT News ^ | 01/24/20 | Joseph, Andrew

Posted on 01/27/2020 10:21:58 AM PST by Ceebass

New research in The Lancet offers further information about the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV). The first study is an analysis of data from the first 41 patients who were admitted to hospitals with confirmed cases of the virus in Wuhan, China. The patients, whose median age was 49 years, had a wide range of symptoms: all had pneumonia, and most had fever and cough. Some patients had fatigue, while more rare symptoms were headache and diarrhea.

One significant finding from the research was that although some of the fatal cases of 2019-nCoV were among people with underlying diseases, most of the first 41 patients infected were healthy. Approximately one-third of these patients required intensive care, and six of them died.

The second study looked at one family that came down with pneumonia in Shenzhen. Five family members who recently traveled to Wuhan had 2019-nCoV, as did one relative who had not been to Wuhan.

Thus far, confirmed human-to-human transmission of the virus has been seen only among families and in health care clinics—instances where people are likely to be in close contact with each other, according to the World Health Organization. This appears to have been what happened with the family that was studied.

Officials still do not know how efficiently 2019-nCoV can transfer among people, however. Also, one child with the virus demonstrated no symptoms. "Because asymptomatic infection appears possible, controlling the epidemic will also rely on isolating patients, tracing and quarantining contacts as early as possible, educating the public on both food and personal hygiene, and ensuring health care workers comply with infection control," said Kwok-Yung Yuen, MD, from the University of Hong Kong-Shenzhen Hospital, who led the research.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; coronavirus; dsj02; wuhan
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Some posters have touted a 2% mortality rate based on the number of deaths, versus those infected as reported by the Chinese govt. However, those numbers are increasing at an unknown rate, so you cannot base an accurate ratio on them. This article summarizes a small study which implies an actual mortality rate of almost 15%. This figure seems more reliable than the 2% since it is based on a static, versus increasing number of patients. While the study has some obvious weakness such as sample size, it would seem that the mortality rate is considerably higher than about 2%. Another finding is that a third of patients required intensive care. That would explain why the Chinese are putting up 1000 bed hospitals. Wonder who is going to staff them?
1 posted on 01/27/2020 10:21:58 AM PST by Ceebass
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To: Ceebass

If it is super contagious and kills 15% of those infected, and if some people are asymptomatic carriers, then this really is a horror show.


2 posted on 01/27/2020 10:25:06 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: Ceebass

Yes 15 percent of those who went into the hospital died.

We don’t know how many got better at home or how many carried it with the without getting sick at all.

We should would until we know before the movie version posts hit the threads :)


3 posted on 01/27/2020 10:25:47 AM PST by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to make ends meet)
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To: Ceebass
New research in The Lancet offers further information about the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV). The first study is an analysis of data from the first 41 patients who were admitted to hospitals with confirmed cases of the virus in Wuhan, China. The patients, whose median age was 49 years, had a wide range of symptoms: all had pneumonia, and most had fever and cough. Some patients had fatigue, while more rare symptoms were headache and diarrhea.

What type of pneumonia did these patients have:

Viral pneumonia or pneumococcal.

If pneumococcal, was is it gram negative or gram positive?

4 posted on 01/27/2020 10:29:29 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Fake Impeachment is all they have left when: Biden, Sanders, or Warren have to beat President Trump!)
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To: Ceebass

Makes me glad I’m on Remicade.


5 posted on 01/27/2020 10:31:02 AM PST by headstamp 2 (There's a stairway to heaven, but there's also a highway to hell.)
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To: Ceebass

“Officially”, 81 dead and only 59 recovered. I would hope the recovered number is reported lower than the actual.


6 posted on 01/27/2020 10:35:45 AM PST by Ingtar (Bedbugs, thy name is Democrat.)
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“Also, one child with the virus demonstrated no symptoms.”

That is pretty creepy right there. I assume that child can still pass on the virus... And for how long.


7 posted on 01/27/2020 10:37:11 AM PST by Revel
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"Makes me glad I’m on Remicade."

What it says here.

"Remicade affects your immune system. You may get infections more easily, even serious or fatal infections. Before you start using Remicade, your doctor may perform tests to make sure you do not have certain infections. Call your doctor if you have a fever, tiredness, flu symptoms, cough, or skin pain."

8 posted on 01/27/2020 10:41:32 AM PST by blam
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“confirmed human-to-human transmission of the virus has been seen only among families and in health care clinics...”

SARS was mainly nosocomial transmission, so it seems this highly related virus may also be transmitted mainly by hospital contacts.

The panic and hysteria has made a lot of people crowd hospitals. Probably the worst thing to do.


9 posted on 01/27/2020 10:44:49 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Ceebass

If I was going to design a plague one feature would be a certain percentage of asymptomatic carriers. A fair sprinkling of typhoid marys. It would also go after people who arent in the best of health and affect the people who can work less.


10 posted on 01/27/2020 10:46:34 AM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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>>can cause infections with no symptoms and sicken otherwise healthy people<<

I’m pretty sure that can be said of all viral or bacterial infections.


11 posted on 01/27/2020 10:56:51 AM PST by Tejas Rob
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I’m pretty sure that can be said of all viral or bacterial infections.

I would bet that includes 100% of all pathogens.


12 posted on 01/27/2020 10:57:39 AM PST by samtheman (I hope someone close to Trump is reading FR every day.)
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To: Ceebass

If one percent of China’s population is affected, how many 1000-bed hospitals are they going to need?


13 posted on 01/27/2020 10:58:01 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: Grampa Dave

The official cause of death for the patients who weren’t tested with the kit is ‘viral pneumonia’.

(read that in a WSJ article somewhere IIRC)


14 posted on 01/27/2020 10:58:30 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yes, this will be a population changer.


15 posted on 01/27/2020 10:59:05 AM PST by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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To: ifinnegan

The other part of that is the bat virus. Maybe it counters that factor.

The China Bat/SAR virus was replicated in vitro AND in vivo at Chapel Hill.


16 posted on 01/27/2020 10:59:12 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Ceebass

So no one in the “press” is asking how these people know so much about this virus already, especially when it is relatively new in the public...


17 posted on 01/27/2020 11:00:50 AM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

20,000 - 1,000 bed hospitals.


18 posted on 01/27/2020 11:02:01 AM PST by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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They’d better get busy.


19 posted on 01/27/2020 11:02:48 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: blam

Yep. Back in Feb. 2018 I had a “fever of unknown origin” for the entire month. Lost almost 25 pounds. Then miraculously it went away just after an infectious disease doctor began to work the issue. Was running 103s and ended up in the hospital for a night. They could not find anything causing it at the time after all kinds of tests and blood cultures. I pretty much thought I was headed for the end.

I think what saved me was the fact that it made me overdue by about 4 weeks for my infusion. I’m of the opinion that the med wore down to a point where it let my body fight it off. That’s just a theory. I get infused every two months.

Upper respiratory is the main risk factor.

This outbreak scares the hell out of me. I have had all the vaccinations though including enhanced flu shots for what they may be worth.


20 posted on 01/27/2020 11:04:42 AM PST by headstamp 2 (There's a stairway to heaven, but there's also a highway to hell.)
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