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Just what is a 'Right,' anyway? Here's the 5-word test
wnd.com ^ | 1/10/2020 | Patrice Lewis

Posted on 01/11/2020 9:20:05 AM PST by rktman

Many people believe the Founding Fathers left many "rights" out of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Stuff like the right to food. The right to housing. The right to a college education. The right to health care (particularly for illegal aliens). Heck, even the right to abortions, the right to be called by a preferred pronoun and the right to free feminine hygiene products, even in men's restrooms. If these dead white men were so brilliant, why didn't they include these "rights" when they wrote those documents?

But you'll notice one common theme among every Right listed in the Bill of Rights: They don't cost anything. This is the litmus test whenever anyone claims they have a new and creative "right." If it costs someone something such as time, money or labor, it's not a Right.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: billofrights; constitution; flexible; freedom; rights
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Well that's too rigid for some folks to pick up on. Most libs (based on casual observation) believe the government allows us to have things. Not the other way around. Too many apparently. Thanks President Trump for trying to set things right. So to speak.
1 posted on 01/11/2020 9:20:05 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

“Rights” don’t involve government—they involve the absence of government. Liberals have it the exact opposite way around, however. They think rights are government privileges.


2 posted on 01/11/2020 9:21:42 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: rktman

A right is the sovereignty to act without permission of others. However, the Bill of Rights isn’t perfectly consistent, because the “right to a jury trial” does place obligations on others, namely, the jurors and other court personnel (and on taxpayers to pay them).


3 posted on 01/11/2020 9:23:43 AM PST by coloradan (The Enemy Media isn't chartered to inform but rather to advance the interests of certain elites.)
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To: rktman

The interesting thing is that, if you really look at it closely, the constitution and bill of rights says only what rights the GOVERNMENT can’t take away from you. It says nothing about private citizens not being able to take away rights.

And I have the same rights if I earn my living running a business as I do if I am someone’s employee (indentured slave). That includes property rights. That means that, when someone enters my property - even if it is a business - I have the right to tell them what they can and cannot do. IF they don’t like it, they can leave my business. This includes my employees.

A few minutes imagining scenarios tells you where you can go with this. For starters, it means OF COURSE you don’t have to bake the cake. But it also means you can kick someone out of your business for any reason whatsoever - including their race.

What made Jim Crow unconstituional was that it was LAW. It was the government TELLING business owners who they could and could not do business with, and under what conditions.

I’m not suggesting companies should discriminate based on race (or sex or hair color or anything else). Rather, I’m saying the constitution protects their right to do so.


4 posted on 01/11/2020 9:29:13 AM PST by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: rktman
Separating rights out....Every right in the Constitution is an individual right afforded every person....male, female black, white, tall, short, skinny, fat etc etc.

But abortion pertains ONLY to pregnant women. So there is a reason that no such right existed in the bill of rights.

5 posted on 01/11/2020 9:31:30 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: coloradan
However, the Bill of Rights isn’t perfectly consistent, because the “right to a jury trial” does place obligations on others, namely, the jurors and other court personnel (and on taxpayers to pay them).

Not entirely true. This right pre-supposes government action. The government will prosecute crimes. They will pay court personnel for the prosecution. In this pre-supposed process, the government will not have the final say. You have a right to a trial by your peers rather than government officials. Another way to read this one is, "when government takes action, it will not impose itself on the citizenry." The citizenry have the final say in a jury trial.

That's my take. YMMV.

6 posted on 01/11/2020 9:33:59 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: rktman

Civics 101:

A Right doesn’t require somebody else to do anything.
A Right ends where the rights of other begins.


7 posted on 01/11/2020 9:35:28 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: rktman

Ten uninvited bums are living in your house.

Do you have a right to have government remove them?

A right is simply a legal concept the government will respect/defend.


8 posted on 01/11/2020 9:43:06 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: rktman

Commonly respected international law:

https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Note: I’m just providing it for information purposes.

Note: A “right” might not always be right.


9 posted on 01/11/2020 9:50:37 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: pgyanke

I would put that as, when are are arrested on suspicion of having committed a crime, “you are entitled to be judged by your peers, rather than by government”, but, it’s still an entitlement, as it does place obligations on others.


10 posted on 01/11/2020 9:51:32 AM PST by coloradan (The Enemy Media isn't chartered to inform but rather to advance the interests of certain elites.)
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To: rktman

“The right to a college education.”

Can there be a right to a third grade education?


11 posted on 01/11/2020 9:55:20 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: rktman

I’ve said for years that no one has the right to something that another has labored for. The sole exception is that a minor child has the right to the care of their parents.


12 posted on 01/11/2020 9:55:58 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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To: Brian Griffin
What? Wait until after the census and "they" decide you have enough space to take some folks in. 😨
13 posted on 01/11/2020 9:56:29 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

Doesn’t matter anyway as only the Treaty Tribes have Constitutionally enshrined Rights’ all of us have mere privileges which can be revoked at any given time - SCOTUS ruling three times in Treaty cases.


14 posted on 01/11/2020 10:03:08 AM PST by PIF (e)
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To: rktman

If you have a right
To the service I provide
I must be your slave


15 posted on 01/11/2020 10:03:59 AM PST by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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“Back in 1959, schools spent only $2,101 per student. In the 2007-08 school year, by comparison, schools will have spent nearly $10,000 per student.”

https://people.howstuffworks.com/public-schools2.htm

I assume the 1959 figure is adjusted for inflation.

In 1967, my public school system spent about $1,000 [1967 money] per student.


16 posted on 01/11/2020 10:08:26 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: coloradan
"...because the “right to a jury trial” does place obligations on others, namely, the jurors and other court personnel (and on taxpayers to pay them)."

I believe that statement to be incorrect, because there are "obligations" stated in the 6th Amendment of our Constitution. It stipulates a "trial by jury". Who is the jury if not the citizens of the Republic? Who pays for such enforcement if not the tax-payers?

In general, an individual's rights stop at the point of abridging another person's rights. However, some rights like life, liberty, justice supersede others.

If you read the Constitutional Debates, the FF's diaries/quotes, their correspondence, publications, a reasonable person will understand what they believed to be a hierarchy of God-given rights.

Unfortunately, the FF's couldn't imagine a society as we have today, when basic rights like the 1st Amendment could be so oppressed on our campuses and media as to quell the right to free speech of others. They did their best, but couldn't foresee the future and the loss of commonsense, reason, logic, and basic reading skills.

17 posted on 01/11/2020 10:19:14 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Also LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: rktman

According to Samuel Johnson’s 1755 Dictionary

Right. n.

3. Just claim.

According to Webster’s 1828 Dictionary:

RIGHT, noun

10. Just claim; immunity; privilege. All men have a right to the secure enjoyment of life, personal safety, liberty and property. We deem the right of trial by jury invaluable, particularly in the case of crimes. Rights are natural, civil, political, religious, personal, and public.


18 posted on 01/11/2020 10:30:17 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
“Rights” don’t involve government—they involve the absence of government.

Seems like I read somewhere "that to secure these rights Governments are instituted among men"

19 posted on 01/11/2020 10:31:54 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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As a side note to this thread, please consider the following.

Noting that the various parts of the Constitution were drafted by committee (OUCH!), some delegates signing the final draft of the Constitution regardless that they weren’t entirely satisfied with it, please consider the following inevitable problems with it. (The Constitution is generously C- quality writing imo, not A+.)

A “technical” problem with the Bill of Rights, for example, that has led to lots of misunderstandings about the fed’s constitutional powers is this imo.

Since the 1st Amendment (1A) begins with “Congress shall make no law,” for example, the politically correct implication now is not only that Congress originally automatically had the power to make the laws that 1A prohibits Congress from having, but that 1A was necessary to repeal such powers.

In other words, as a consequence of parents not making sure that their children are being taught that the only powers that the federal government has are those that the states expressly give the feds in the Constitution, low-information citizens never question that a given federal law or regulation may be constitutionally indefensible.

Making sure that a given federal law is reasonably justifiable under some clause in the Constitution should be a civic duty of every citizen as much as jury duty is. (The Constitution is arguably little more complicated than a driver’s test imo. So questioning the constitutional integrity of a federal law should not be a major effort.)

State sovereignty-respecting Supreme Court justices had put it this way about the importance of constitutionally enumerated federal government powers.

”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.

Corrections, insights welcome.

Remember in November!

MAGA! Now KAGA! (Keep America Great Always!)


20 posted on 01/11/2020 10:32:33 AM PST by Amendment10
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