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1 posted on 12/19/2019 7:51:53 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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If it was the American flag he’d have gotten a pass since free speech and all that.


38 posted on 12/19/2019 8:12:56 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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“15 years for the hate crime of arson”

Hate crime of arson for a flag? Talk about an overzealous prosecution. If I were the governer I would send the judge an ultimatum, either substantially reduce the sentence or a full pardon will be issued.


40 posted on 12/19/2019 8:14:02 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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Arson is a hate crime?

Quick, pull Fahrenheit 451 off library shelves.


48 posted on 12/19/2019 8:22:01 AM PST by moovova
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Political prisoner.

The hate is from the Left. That flag is a hate symbol to normal people.


50 posted on 12/19/2019 8:22:26 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Trump is solving the worldÂ’s problems only to distract us from Russia.)
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Cruel and unusual punishment. Unless there is more to it than just burning some private property....

It’s called free speech unless the flag belongs to someone else, then theft, trespass; all citations or misdemeanors at worst.


54 posted on 12/19/2019 8:32:51 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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Hate crime laws only create political prisoners. They need to be abolished.


55 posted on 12/19/2019 8:34:42 AM PST by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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But the homosexuals told us that the only thing they wanted was to be able to 'love' each other in peace.
56 posted on 12/19/2019 8:57:01 AM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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probation at the max


60 posted on 12/19/2019 9:02:44 AM PST by olesigh
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15 years? Did he reeeally take the flag down or did he burn it while it was on the church?


61 posted on 12/19/2019 9:02:53 AM PST by Hatteras
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Is this a joke? I can’t even see this happening in some parts of Europe. Fifteen years!!

His sentence should have been no more than a small fine, replacement cost of the flag, and a warning. This is insanity if real.


66 posted on 12/19/2019 9:14:12 AM PST by Boomer ('Democrat' is now synonymous with 'corrupt')
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United Church of Christ Satan.
67 posted on 12/19/2019 9:15:09 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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Well he was stupid. Tearing down the churches Sodom GPS to God.


70 posted on 12/19/2019 9:17:35 AM PST by Gasshog
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A couple of observations after reading multiple articles on this story:

1. Mr. Martinez would be very wise to appeal the sentence to higher courts - the US Supreme Court if need be.

2. This is NOT Martinez’s first run in with the law - he was charged as a habitual offender, which indicates he has multiple prior convictions.

3. He trespassed onto private property (a church), tore down the flag and then burned it (theft/destruction of private property). Regardless of his motives, that alone warrants a conviction - the sentence may or may not be excessive, but the conviction is not. I see this as no different than convicting a habitual offender that stole a MAGA hat and burned it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/04/16/maryland-maga-hat-attack-and-burglary-2-men-arrested-police-say/3491206002/

If he had burned a gay pride flag that he owned, then there is no way in Hades that the conviction would stand on appeal, however since he trespassed, stole, and destroyed the private property of another the conviction itself is just.


74 posted on 12/19/2019 9:24:56 AM PST by jhastey
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A hate crime against an inanimate object? What a wild counrty.


78 posted on 12/19/2019 9:29:41 AM PST by deadrock
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WTF?

That’s judicial terrorism!

Go to SCOTUS and impeach the hateful judge


82 posted on 12/19/2019 9:34:46 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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Hate crimes are such subjective BS. They should all be abolished.


91 posted on 12/19/2019 9:55:25 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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Wouldn’t this be an appropriate time for groups of conservatives to band together and conduct mass alphabet flag burnings— in solidarity with this guy and pointing out the SCOTUS 1989 decision?

After all, those who burn the US flag want the US as a whole destroyed.
We, OTOH, are simply fed up with the LGBTs ruling over us & coming after our kids. We aren’t actively trying to wipe them out. But we shouldn’t have their flag flying over us.


92 posted on 12/19/2019 9:56:00 AM PST by mumblypeg
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But if you are a muzz and you murder a White woman you’ll get 12.5 years.

How come burning an American flag is “protected speech” but this is a “hate crime”? (I know why, and I doesn’t give me optimism for the future of the country.)


94 posted on 12/19/2019 9:56:31 AM PST by I want the USA back (If free speech is taken away, dumb and silent we are led, like sheep to the slaughter: G Washington)
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This needs to go to appeal.


96 posted on 12/19/2019 9:57:15 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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Poor guy, but he got off lucky.

Bad enough to just be hating on their flag, but then causing more global warming with his first degree deliberate act of carbon emissions, too?

I’m surprised they didn’t just kill him outright for his blatant terrorism against Social Justice, may pees be upon it.

105 posted on 12/19/2019 10:17:19 AM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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