The Evidence is Cut in Stone: A Compelling Argument for Lost High Technology in Ancient Egypt

Ancient Origens ^ | August 2017 | Brien Forrester

[wildbill]

Most people know of the great construction achievements of the dynastic Egyptians such as the pyramids and temples of the Giza Plateau area as well as the Sphinx. Many books and videos show depictions of vast work forces hewing blocks of stone in the hot desert sun and carefully setting them into place. However, some of these amazing works could simply not have been made by these people during the time frame that we call dynastic Egypt.

Up until the 7th century BC there was very little iron present in Egypt, as this material only became commonly used once the Assyrians invaded at that time; in fact, the ancient Egyptians regarded iron as an impure metal associated with Seth, the spirit of evil who according to Egyptian tradition governed the central deserts of Africa. A few examples of meteoric iron have been found which predate the Assyrians, but this consists largely of small ornamental beads.

[Stanwood_Dave]

I'm not a scientist, and don't play one on TV, or Big Motion Pictures.

But I am a person {66 yr's old} with 25 plus year's as a body & fender guy, Painted Aircraft for Boeing, for 5 yr's, and 19 yr's and still counting welding (5 yr's ship yard's, working on small boat's of 400 foot length's) & metal fabrication. I also just in the last 4 yr's have invested heavily into machinist equipment metal lathe, milling machine, machinist tooling (would have been cheaper to do drugs.)

The statement: “Even the concept of this kind of precision does not occur to an artisan unless there is no other means of accomplishing what the artifact is intended to do. The only other reason that such precision would be created in an object would be that the tools that are used to create it are so precise that they are incapable of producing anything less than precision.”

Makes a LOT OF SENSE to me.

With dripping sarcasm let me use a saying I like, when wanting to put a person in their place: if I put a scalpel in your hand it doesn't make you a F-ing neurosurgeon.

But that scalpel could & would improve even a modest say wood caver, for example, I could go on, put I'm hoping you can at least smell the coffee, by now. FACE to PALM, rolling my eye's now. Shaking my head in disbelief.

[Stanwood_Dave]

"Chemistry would not leave cut marks."

Hey, I just a dumb $h!t welder, but could you please tell this smelly Walmart shopping deplorable, ah just what chemical eat's solid Granite, curious minds would love to know.

[minnesota_bound]

#79 I see a misspelling on that obelisk : )

[PIF]

Egypt has lots of iron ore. The whole iron meteorite bit is loony.

[Chickensoup]

actually that has happened a lot.

The romans had running water, and central heat, something not seen again for more than a millennial.

Cultures can easily go backwards. Read many years ago about a culture of Eskimos who over time lost the ability to make igloos and obviously died out.

[PIF]

No pecking does not work with diorite and other extreme hard rocks, nor does it create mirror-images that are complex, intricate, mathematically proportional, and perspective-driven carvings accurate down to millimeters across many examples of the same carving - even to different sizes.

The whole ancient Egypt did not have iron or now how to make stone cutting tools is dumb. Further, this idea that Old Kingdom Egyptians were stupid does not compute, but does follows the tourist driven Egyptian meme promoted by Lehner and Hawass, which is filled with holes and dating which relies on known forgeries.

There were three periods lasting 100-200 years of chaos between the Old, Middle, and New kingdoms. Iron was valuable and likely iron tools were sold elsewhere or rusted away over thousands of years.

There were also the Arab muslims who invaded and looted the country in comparatively modern times - iron would certainly have been taken and melted for swords and other weapons.

And there is a prohibition on exploration - it must be government approved and many modern tools are expressly forbidden - like bio-thermoluminescent dating (dating when a rock was last exposed to light). There are tunnels and caves all over Giza - even temples - which are not recorded/dated/explored/deliberately prohibited.

Too many people/institutions have vested interest$ in the status quo and any and all attempts to shine lights in dark corners are ridiculed and mocked while at the same time prohibited.

Any thing which does contradict the meme is locked away, locked up, gated, or destroyed.

[PIF]

A bit of a wordy statement to be sure but ...

in other words the guy has an idea that cannot be made with the tools at hand, so he thinks outside the box and makes new tools to create his idea - happens all the time in labs all over the world, not to mention engineers.

[PIF]

that depends on which period you are looking at and which examples that are displayed. They could have been Neolithic or even earlier.

Tools from ancient Egypt stretch from the 5000 BC to 300 AD approximately.

[PIF]

That way works to roughly cut stone but not to carve complex designs in any way accurate to millimeters.

[PIF]

The opening of the mouth was conducted using a angled iron or steel tool (W. Budge: Book of the Dead). Yes, he used the word: steel. I have a more modern translation which I have not read which may use a different word.

[PIF]

Ever seen paintings from the Renaissance vs modern art?

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Art ended with the Renaissance

[Williams]

You see in the cutting of a rectangular slab of stone (unfinished) which shows multiple swipes at chopping off pieces, evidence of a tool so precise that it cannot do anything other than “such precision”?

I’ve looked at marble sculpture by Michelangelo and Bernini that are fantastic and listened to discussions of both the tools used and the mistakes made. The artists could have taken their most precise tool and chopped off a head had they so desired (or missed).

I doubt that in the cutting of giant pieces of stone TODAY, the tools used are so precise they are capable of nothing other than the intended precision.

[SunkenCiv]

Power tools? Odd that there's no sign of ancient power generation, literally anywhere, apart from the Baghdad battery, and the metal power tools have not survived anywhere, not even in a picture on a tomb wall. No metal blades, not even worn out ones, either in ancient rubbish tips or in ancient art, have survived, anywhere. My favorite thing is how the power tools were powered by the Great Pyramid somehow ("Giza Power Plant") without any coherent explanation about A) how that actually worked or B) why can't anyone reproduce the system today, or C) how did the "power plant" Great Pyramid get built without power tools, or for that matter D) why is the oldest one at Giza more massive than all the other Giza pyramids put together? Dunn's just full of it.

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At the 10th Geopolymer Camp in 2018, Prof. Joseph Davidovits presented during his annual keynote his last studies on the Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths. In November 2017, an international team (a geologist from Universidad San Pablo at Arequipa, Peru and a member of the Geopolymer Institute) went on the site to carry on a survey on these stones. After different analysis on thin sections and under the electronic microscope, Joseph Davidovits claims that he has found "organic matter in volcanic rock", which is, by nature, impossible.

Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers | Geopolymer Institute | Published on March 3, 2019

[SunkenCiv]

We are told that homo sapiens has been on earth for at least 200,000 years, and that they had the same brain as we do today. That leads me to believe that higher civilization have existed and were wiped out in cosmic disasters. If 95% of humanity was killed today, how long would it take the survivors to come back to our present stage?

Well put. Human civilization probably got to the point of literacy, at least, before the most recent big glaciation, or somehow during it (in that case, along the water's edge, on what is now the continental shelf), had to crawl back up after the relatively sudden mass-melting of the glaciers flooded back into the oceans, and long distance trade by land (and the easier type, by sea) continued or resumed no longer ago than the Neolithic. I've got to get my Mary Settegast graphic back up (it died with TinyPic) -- it shows the apparently related 'runic' writing systems, which are found in various forms, including among the cave paintings.

[Boogieman]

“That is a poor analogy because we can indeed reproduce these works of art.”

Yes, but we don’t really do it with any regularity. What would get preserved in the archaeological record would be the kind of art of we produce the most commonly, which would be considerably cruder. So someone viewing our culture thousands of years in the future might surmise, just like you are doing, that we somehow mysteriously lost the capacity, in just a few hundred years, to create that kind of art.

[wildbill]

I have no dog in the hunt between “abandonment” and your comment that the greatest mystery is how they got those boxes transported to the niches inside the ‘temple’ or whatever it was.

It seems to me that we could all agree that there are mysteries in the construction of tombs and monuments in ancient Egypt that are difficult to explain with the old standard arguments of “infinite number of workers’ pulling an infinite number of ropes or hammering away with hard stones for an infinite number of years.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE, BUT I’M NOT SO VAIN AS TO CLAIM THAT I DO OR THAT THERE ISN’T ROOM TO QUESTION THE OLD ARGUMENTS WITH SOME FACTS THAT TEND TO RAISE MORE QUESTIONS.

[Bob Ireland]

***Power tools? Odd that there's no sign of ancient power generation, literally anywhere, apart from the Baghdad battery, and the metal power tools have not survived anywhere, not even in a picture on a tomb wall...***

It is certainly an enigma; of course it presupposes that they would have used the same technology that we use, and since by evolution we are light years ahead of them they could not know a technology that we have not discovered. BUT also, when I look at Gobekli Tepe, perhaps Machu Picchu and such, I sometimes wonder if they had total recall {of course that is too high a brain function for primitives.}

I don't remember if it was Petrie or Dunn or whoever who says they found slit trenches on the Giza Plateau where large blades {of what?} or thin wheels might have rotated for cutting or grinding or whatever - powered by oxen??? Obviously just speculation.

***Dunn's just full of it.***

:^D See, I said he was provocative. Wun and Dunn.

***Joseph Davidovits claims that he has found "organic matter in volcanic rock", which is, by nature, impossible

...just some unknown technology -- or Ancient Aliens.

{{I'll check out that link ... looks over my head!}}

[wildbill]

i didn’t realize I was in all caps and shouting. Pardon me.

[GingisK]

These artifacts can't be produced today with our technology.

Point me to the link that shows such an artifact. I am sure they can be produced today.

[GingisK]

Well, no, we’ve never drilled equally spaced holes or made equally spaced groves. </ sarcasm>