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Turkey And Russia Are Declaring Peace In Syria
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| 10/23/2019
| Jazz Shaw
Posted on 10/23/2019 7:55:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
It’s all over but the shouting, and there really doesn’t even seem to be much of that. Yesterday was supposed to be the end of the ceasefire in northeastern Syria, at which point we expected the Turks to begin “cleansing” the twenty-mile wide border region of any remaining Kurdish fighters. But dawn broke and the fighting still seems to be on hold. The reason was announced earlier this morning and it seems that the Russians have stepped in and put all the combatants back in their respective corners. (Associated Press)
Turkeys Defense Ministry is signaling it wont resume its offensive in northeast Syria, following agreements reached with the U.S. and Russia.
The ministry said early on Wednesday the U.S. had announced Syrian Kurdish fighters completed their pullout from areas Turkey invaded this month as a five-day cease-fire allowing for the withdrawal expired.
This came after the leaders of Russia and Turkey announced a separate deal for their forces to jointly patrol almost the entire northeastern Syrian border after the Kurdish withdrawal.
I suppose we can look at this as one of those “good news, bad news” deals if you’re the optimistic sort. While they’ve lost their territory in the north, the Syrian Kurds have relocated to the south and are no longer being slaughtered. The border region is at least theoretically open for displaced Syrians to return and resettle the area. (There will be a lot of infrastructure work required before that can happen at any large scale, though.)
But what sort of peace has been achieved? The only reason nobody is fighting right now is that Russia is effectively in control of the entire northern border of Syria. To the east, they are jointly patrolling with the Turks (who apparently now own that territory). To the west, they are patrolling in coordination with Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian military. So the Russians now control not only the naval port at Tartus but essentially the entire northern section of the country.
At the same time, Russia’s relationship with Turkey seems to be a permanent fixture, splintering Erdogan’s nation further away from their supposed allies in NATO. With Iraq saying that our troops need to clear out of that country and Iran’s influence there on the rise, we basically no longer have a foothold anywhere in that region closer than Israel. (Well, these days I suppose we could count Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, but that’s iffy in its own way.)
A lack of shelling and people being “cleansed” along the border is still a good thing, and if our remaining troops are coming home that’s a plus also. But it’s impossible to deny at least the perception that we wound up being totally played in that part of the word. And if there’s a real winner here out of all the various interests competing in that region, it certainly looks like it’s the Russians.
Was this the ending we were shooting for after all these years of involvement? It doesn’t sound like it, but if we stop losing our soldiers over there perhaps it’s the best we could hope for now.
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia; Syria
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To: SeekAndFind
Why is no one considering the “rebuilding” costs that are going to be needed for Syria? This would be a big plus for us if Russia and Turkey are stuck with the bill.
To: SeekAndFind
Are all Russian suits made by the Bolshoi Brothers? I guess the only dye they have is black?
To each his own.
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posted on
10/23/2019 8:00:30 AM PDT
by
Sequoyah101
(We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
To: SeekAndFind
Eaxactly the people who should of been doing it from the start before Obama-Clinton-McCain decided to play the Arab Spring regime change game
Why do you think in Fall-Winter 2015 Debates all the Democrat, and Republican candidates other then Trump were trying to out macho each other about imposing a No Fly Zone over Syria to stop Russia supporting Assad?
We HAD NOT BUSINESS BEING IN SYRIA. It has been a Russian client state since the 1950s. Obama/Clinton/ and the rest of the DC Swamp were playing stupid “Emperor of Earth’ games with American lives.
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posted on
10/23/2019 8:01:56 AM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
To: SeekAndFind
Eaxactly the people who should of been doing it from the start before Obama-Clinton-McCain decided to play the Arab Spring regime change game
Why do you think in Fall-Winter 2015 Debates all the Democrat, and Republican candidates other then Trump were trying to out macho each other about imposing a No Fly Zone over Syria to stop Russia supporting Assad?
We HAD NOT BUSINESS BEING IN SYRIA. It has been a Russian client state since the 1950s. Obama/Clinton/ and the rest of the DC Swamp were playing stupid “Emperor of Earth’ games with American lives.
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posted on
10/23/2019 8:02:00 AM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
To: SeekAndFind
And if theres a real winner here out of all the various interests competing in that region, it certainly looks like its the Russians. Darn that Trump! [/s]
We don't need to be over there. It's good that we have largely pulled out. And Russia isn't going to take over the world so I don't see their presence as a problem. It's likely a problem for Europe if Russia gains more control of the world's oil. But Europe is also not my concern. Globalists can worry about distant continents. I'm a Nationalist and I think America is doing just fine. We have plenty of oil and we don't need more wars.
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posted on
10/23/2019 8:03:57 AM PDT
by
ClearCase_guy
(If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
To: SeekAndFind
Peace on you and you and you . Hey , not from up there you don’t ,LOL
To: SeekAndFind
So...the author expected to own Northern Syria at the cost of 1k (50) soldiers? For my understanding, what does owning Northern Syria actually mean? What do your fellow countrymen get out of this great investment? Syria is a country. Its leader is Assad. If the Kurds in the North of Syria don’t accept that then that’s their fight. Maybe they need to pick up arms or maybe they can Kexit (doesn’t seem to work for the UK but who knows). Assad, as the leader of Syria, decides to share his North with Russia and Turkey, that’s on him. The Obama admin tried to take him own and were not able to. That’s not on Trump. The idea was ridiculous on its face at the very beginning.
To: ClearCase_guy
If it is such a big deal to Europe they should have listened to Trump when he said take the prisoners coming from you country. They didn’t, they thought he didn’t mean it. Apparently he did. Maybe next time they’ll take him more seriously
To: SeekAndFind
This is good news for America, and confirmation of Trump’s policy. Expect a total news blackout.
To: MNJohnnie
“Obama/Clinton/ and the rest of the DC Swamp were playing stupid Emperor of Earth games with American lives.”
I believe the Obama/Clinton cabal was acting as proxy for their Russian masters in accepting all the costs, human, and monetary for Russian ambitions.
It would make sense as later they attempted to throw us off the trail by blaming the Russian association on Trump.
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posted on
10/23/2019 8:09:37 AM PDT
by
rockinqsranch
("Democratic" party sold out to the ICP. It is now the Communist Party USA.)
To: SeekAndFind
“..The only reason nobody is fighting right now is that Russia is effectively in control of the entire northern border of Syria..”
The Russia and Syrian relationship goes back to 1946 when they signed a Treaty. Syria is essentially a client state of Russia and has been seventy-ish years. They have advisors embedded in the Syrian military, they have the only Russian Mediterranean port for the Russian navy in Syria. When they say Russia is in control it is the same as Syrian control. In Syria, they are one and the same.
Two million Syrian refugees currently in Turkey are being re-settled in the newly acquired buffer zone - Syrians resettled in Syria. Obama brought in thousands of Syrian refugees to the US. Maybe we can make a deal to resettle them in the “zone.”
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posted on
10/23/2019 8:09:42 AM PDT
by
elpadre
(AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
10/23/2019 8:11:07 AM PDT
by
wastedyears
(The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
To: SeekAndFind
We’re developing a 1000 mile cannon, for crying out loud! We don’t need to station our troops in the middle of a place where just about everyone wants you dead. Having bases in Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey is enough.
To: wiseprince
Maybe next time theyll take him more seriously Best observation from 2016, in my opinion, was by Salena Zito (I paraphrase): "Trump's opponents take everything he says literally, but they don't take the man seriously. Trump's supporters, on the other hand, don't take his words literally, but they do take the man seriously."
He talks the way he talks. But he means business. He should always be taken seriously.
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posted on
10/23/2019 8:14:52 AM PDT
by
ClearCase_guy
(If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
To: SeekAndFind
Wonderful news! US taxpayers no longer footing the bill for military operations in Syria.
Now how about dismantling all 800 other US military installations spread around the world? But if we did that the chickenhawks will have a cow.
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posted on
10/23/2019 8:17:58 AM PDT
by
entropy12
(You are either for free enterprise or for government price fixing. Can't be for both as convenient.)
To: SeekAndFind
I do have to ask “Is it possible that the presence of US troops in a warring region actually contributes to the continuation of conflict?”
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posted on
10/23/2019 8:34:15 AM PDT
by
lastchance
(Credo.)
To: SeekAndFind
These were terrorist Kurds previously known as the PKK, labeled the SDF, but were known for slaughtering Christians, Jews and others, as well as doing the bidding of the intenational deep state. Good riddance.
To: Chad_the_Impaler
No one is considering because we already pulled out.
Not our circus, not our monkey.
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posted on
10/23/2019 8:48:44 AM PDT
by
MrEdd
(Caveat Emptors)
To: MrEdd
U.S. already pledged money for refugee support this year of at least $397 million. But I am talking about the costs of rebuilding the infrastructure. That number is estimated to be in the hundreds of billions.
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