Posted on 10/14/2019 3:44:39 PM PDT by Mariner
President Trump’s acquiescence to Turkey’s move to send troops deep inside Syrian territory has in only one week’s time turned into a bloody carnage, forced the abandonment of a successful five-year-long American project to keep the peace on a volatile border, and given an unanticipated victory to four American adversaries: Russia, Iran, the Syrian government and the Islamic State.
Rarely has a presidential decision resulted so immediately in what his own party leaders have described as disastrous consequences for American allies and interests. How this decision happened — springing from an “off-script moment” with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, in the words of a senior American diplomat — likely will be debated for years by historians, Middle East experts and conspiracy theorists.
But this much already is clear: Mr. Trump ignored months of warnings from his advisers about what calamities likely would ensue if he followed his instincts to pull back from Syria and abandon America’s longtime allies, the Kurds. He had no Plan B, other than to leave. The only surprise is how swiftly it all collapsed around the president and his depleted, inexperienced foreign policy team.
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And over the weekend, State and Energy Department officials were quietly reviewing plans for evacuating roughly 50 tactical nuclear weapons that the United States had long stored, under American control, at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey, about 250 miles from the Syrian border, according to two American officials.
Those weapons, one senior official said, were now essentially Erdogan’s hostages. To fly them out of Incirlik would be to mark the de facto end of the Turkish-American alliance. To keep them there, though, is to perpetuate a nuclear vulnerability that should have been eliminated years ago.
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How true! The sad thing is even supposedly intelligent people like Michael savages is on the same page as he has the same headline on his website.
Depends on what faction of Kurds they are talking about.
You do know that the PKK Kurds are communist? And that they have been fighting the Turks for decades?
I would say let them kill each other off and support the other free Kurdish factions.
Friggan mess is what it is.
Why Mrs. Jackson I were just discussing this very thing, noting how peace had broken out all across the middle east due to the policies of Trump's predecessors, and now, Trump goes weak, and our staunchest ally, Turkey under that great democratic leader Erdogan - may God give him the Nobel Peach Prize - suddenly turns murderous. /s/
Wrong angle. You think it is ideology it's not. You need to ask the question - how was the deep state raking in the moolah from this arrangement and how did Trump disturb that.
Quid Pro and runt quid pro have shown us the way. It's about the money. Simply about the money. Nothing but the money.
I HAVE started to consider that the past few days.
It is something I forgot.
But even if I didn’t give a damn about the Kurds, ISIS prisoners ARE getting away.
And that always ends up screwing our boys in the end.
What I don’t get is Trump KNOWS Turkey would be HAPPY if ISIS prisoners escaped. Hell they supposed them with free passage and buying oil.
He’s not ONE to MISS something like that.
Perhaps the Turks agreed to not attack the prisoner areas and then reneged and that is why Trump put out such a forceful statement today.
The days of Ataturk are LONG GONE
Look dp0622...this shit with the GD Turks has gone on for years and years.
From the Armenian genocide to the deal that the nations reneged on during/after WW1.
The Kurds were promised a country. They got screwed and ever since its been an ongoing battle.
The Kurd history plants them right smack where they control those areas. From Persia to the Med sea.
The friggan whole GD area should be nuked so the rest of the world can have peace and quiet.
There is no safe political solution to that area. NONE.
Why were these nukes allowed to remain in Turkey? Erdogan has been a radical Islamist for some time. You do remember the attempted coup several years ago to put stability back into the country.
I know...its wiki, but it is a pretty good overview of that region.
BTW..that area was also know as part of Scythia where the Israelites were taken by the Assyrians after the Northern Kingdom fell to the Assyrian Empire.
Not worth reading or posting.
I have no problem with the United States going to war from time to time when there are national interests at stake. I have supported it enthusiastically. That said, these actions should not last forever. The Middle East has been a warmongering sewer for millennia. Even the great Barack Obama couldn’t stop it. Pull out and save lives of gallant American soldiers. If regional powers have no interest in stopping war there, why in hell should we care?
Didn’t know some of that.
Thanks
Here is another eye opener. AND I am not as religious as some and more than others but...
Its PDF. It follows scriptures if you are up on that.
https://joelstrumpet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/The-Location-of-Magog-Meshech-and-Tubal-1.pdf
In the later days..there will be wars and rumors of wars. Man will be against man, child against parent..etc “paraphrasing” etc.
I hope this does not offend you? But, I look to scriptures historically as well as spiritually. We all have to.
NYT = aid and comfort to the enemy.
What happens then, is somehow Israel gets involved and since the whole dam place is Islamic, they unite and we get into it by defending Israel. FULL BLOWN World War and it becomes nuclear.
Update:
It's almost as if President Trump has some experience with the art of the deal or somethin'.
Calamity? How many people whom he is sworn to protect died?
Why would it offend me?
I’ve seen a bunch of those names on this board and never knew what the heck they were referring to.
Now I know.
It’s fascinating stuff.
Thanks.
Of that I have no doubt!
History repeats ya know?
Hey! What wine goes good with Angel hair with that Italian sausage on top?
I am dumb when it comes to those types of things.
LOL
Funny that the great NY Times didn’t mention anything about that. :)
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