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To: stonehouse01
The fact pattern seems simple. Giuliani was pushing to have the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine fired.

He claims he was working on behalf of his client — President Trump.

Someone is alleging that he was actually working as a lobbyist for a Ukrainian political figure at the time.

It should be pretty easy to get the facts straight on this.

10 posted on 10/12/2019 5:50:54 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: Alberta's Child
Giuliani was pushing to have the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine fired

She was an outright enemy of Trump, not just disloyal in words but actively plotting against him, even working with Hillary's team during the election

She's no victim, and he has every reason to get rid of her


16 posted on 10/12/2019 6:18:47 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Alberta's Child

The US ambassador (a holdover) was hostile to Trump and had been publicly denigrating and undermining him, and he had every right to dismiss her.

Giuliani was representing a couple of Ukrainian American (naturalized citizens) businessmen in Florida, where they seem to have run various dubious investment schemes. One suit was settled amicably -they paid the money back - and the other was ongoing.

They had been channeling some money to a PAC that went to several candidates and originally they were accused of being foreign nationals contributing to a domestic election. Then it turned out that they were actually citizens, so now they’re accused of having gotten some money from abroad. Who knows?

When I worked at GOP headquarters in a county in central Florida years ago (2004), an elderly lady bought a $1000 table at a Bush dinner on behalf of a small group of her friends, who paid her back individually for their share (which was only about $200 apiece, IIRC). The Dems combed through the records and accused the poor soul of being a straw buyer, that is, funneling other people’s contributions through her personal account.

People were scared to work for or contribute to the GOP because the Dems’ army of lawyers was going to look into every detail of their (perfectly harmless) lives and make them miserable with legal threats. Lawfare intimidation works.


19 posted on 10/12/2019 6:37:59 PM PDT by livius
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To: Alberta's Child

Post 10
Good summary
Go get’em Rudy!!!


23 posted on 10/12/2019 7:01:47 PM PDT by ptsal
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