Posted on 09/22/2019 9:42:58 AM PDT by 4Liberty
Nope , in S.F. it ain’t Indians , it’s the derelicts.
Lower caste Indians , in their millions , behave that way in India . Not here.
The lower castes cannot afford to come here , or attain the higher educations , there. They are in a perpetual state of serfdom
“Improved everywhere”
Sure, all these dumb Africans running into Europe dress well and carry cell phones thanks to western aid.
The average IQ of Somalia is still 65. South Africa will soon collapse into an orgy of racial murder.
If someone doesn’t get hold of the problem, in 50 years hundreds of millions of people are going to die.
Yes. The world can’t maintain these third world people forever at the rate of their growth. Sorry.
I'd argue that the first settlers were not immigrants, but refugees from political and religious persecution in Europe.
It's just that there wasn't anybody already here to grant them asylum; they made the land for themselves.
Except for the native American Indians, of course.
-PJ
"Need" may be too strong a word. Try "significantly more advantageous" instead.
India strongly on our side would have been a major plus in all the Middle Eastern fiascos we have gotten ourselves into. Instead, we have married ourselves to China, a nation obviously out to destroy our country, and quite probably indulge in the same world-conquest ideas that have motivated the Marxists forever.
Despite all its flirtations with socialism, India has remained democratic and largely capitalist.
The are in debt, under employed and will vote for socialists. Thanks right wing FOR NOTHING.
I can agree that majority of immigrants admitted during the last 40 years or so, were not qualified based on skills or education level or wealth they can bring with. Millions are seniors who are sponsored by their children living in US. These seniors become eligible to receive social security (supplemental) checks and medicaid for life. The sponsors are not even held responsible to support them financially.
Then add to that 11 to 30 million illegals who are not checked for even disease or criminal backgrounds.
PDJT is exactly right (again!) trying to change relative based immigration without any requirements of skills/wealth/education, to skills based immigrants.
On the other hand the immigrant doctors, engineers, business entrepreneurs, scientists etc are not committing street crimes and deteriorating American way of life. They are contributing the economy to grow.
And my last point, majority of advanced degrees awarded by US universities in STEM are foreign students! Why are Americans not participating in those opportunities?
Because whites are systemically discriminated against in the STEM fields. That and suppressed wages are killing Americans from entering those grueling fields of study.
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What part of “ourselves and OUR posterity” did you miss?
Not Pradeep’s posterity.
Lying through your foul teeth as usual.
I’m sorry, whiskers.
Would you be so kind as to tell me what I LIED about.
Thank you.
To begin, it seems counter indicated to admit foreign programming talent to compete in a market allegedly depressed only because foreign programming talent has been imported in overwhelming numbers.
However it gives pause that the problem might not be that our talent pool has been discouraged because of the influx of foreigners. Perhaps the converse is the case: the influx of foreigners has occurred because of a scarcity of domestic talent.
If that is the case one must ask, why has our capitalist system been unable to staff the demand needs of a critically important and rapidly growing industry? The situation, of course, is not limited to programmers but applies to the entire STEM field.
When one looks at the raw numbers of STEM graduates produced in China compared to those produced domestically here, one must conclude that if STEM graduates are the equivalent weapons of war like tanks or aircraft carriers, we might have lost World War II. Or more to the point, we might lose World War III.
So when we look at the STEM situation we have to ask as we stand under the cresting wave of robots and artificial intelligence, are we relying on STEM talent to make amusing gadgets or are we in desperate need of a class of talent that can save us in an oncoming existential struggle with China? If we are simply talking jobs we have one set of considerations, if we are talking existential survival, we have a whole different set.
I think we also have to ask ourselves what is the source of our talent deficiency? Is it that we have flooded the market with foreign talent and depressed wages to the point that these are jobs, like picking lettuce, that Americans simply will not do anymore? Or is it that our entire education establishment is so corrupt and has so profoundly failed in its obligation to society that we have no infrastructure to produce programmers or STEM talent at a pace required in this new age?
If it's the culture of education or the culture which education has produced that is the problem, simply slamming the door on H 1-B visas will not serve the nation in a decisive race for survival with China, in fact it will not solve the problem at all except over the very long haul required to change culture. Have we as a society simply made a collective decision not to pay the price for a modern technological career? Meanwhile, what do we do? If we don't stop the inflow, wages will not go up and the problem of domestic production of talent will not be solved.
There is another problem which gives me pause as well. If we do not import this talent we will simply export the jobs over the Internet to places like India. My son works for a company which employs tens of thousands of Indians who sit before monitors in India 24/7 to service American accounts. If my son's company did not operate by this method, competitors like IBM who employ three times as many in India, would put his company out of business.
I recite this to put the dimension of the problem in context. Donald Trump is up against a structured interconnected way of life of the American economy. If we don't take the workers in, we send the work abroad at the speed of light. If we do send the work abroad, we seem to be financing their increasing ability to produce STEM graduates. Whatever we do will require huge shifts in our economic structure which will not come without huge political struggles.
It seems that this argument is but a symptom of that struggle. My pause is whether we are dealing with a symptom or with the cause? If we are relieving the symptom favorable to Silicon Valley and Indian immigrants now, are we not storing up greater problems? What else can we do?
It seems to me that we can piece together the sequence of events here. The House of Representatives passes the bill, the president accepts the invitation of the president of India to address tens of thousands of Indians in Houston, Senator Lee will advance his bill through the Senate, the president will sign.
This is a problem that ought not to be approached as is the wont here on Free Republic, support a policy if the president supports it, oppose a policy if the president opposes it. I am asking for analysis of the policy itself.
It's all about wages, risk and reward.
Thank you Maris Crane, for providing me a needed a hearty laugh. Much appreciated.
On a sidebar issue, I worked for private US companies for 25 years and then 12 years for a national research lab funded by US dept of Energy. No H1-B visa person ever came close to replacing me. I am guessing my skills were not available from the H1-B camp. I would sincerely advise those threatened by H1-B visa workers to acquire skills which are not available from the H1-B visa foreign workers camp.
This is still a capitalist country where businesses are allowed to operate in independent manner without the gov’t micro-managing how they should operate.
Show me the data, I'm open.
They didn’t need to replace you with an H1-B because you were already a dot (==”diversity quota”).
You remind me of a Third-world upper manager at a company I worked at, during a town hall where we were told our location was being offshore. The question was “What can we do to preserve our jobs?” and the answer was “Make yourself a valuable commodity!”
Commodities are, by definition, _not_ valuable.
Smug little double-talking prick.
I know of other PhDs ordered to train in their foreign replacements, it’s about cost, for the C-level executives third vacation homes and $1000/hr hookers, not skills.
I am the data. I selected my major in the 1980’s based on the fact that wages for engineers and technology ( comp sci etc. ) were going up. It’s what all college student do, or should do. Did you go to college?
I spent a lot of time in Engineering college working on a post graduate degree. I came to know several American students during that period, and do not remember a single complaint of discrimination from US born Americans. It was just the opposite, the American students had the distinct advantage due to English proficiency and knowledge of American culture, and were favored by prospective employers.
Note entropy is racist Indian import that has no love for nationalist, pro worker politicians and whites in general.
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