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Red Flag Laws: Too Good to Be True
americanthinker.com ^ | 9/20/2019 | Rich Logis

Posted on 09/20/2019 10:44:21 AM PDT by rktman

We all know that if something looks too good to be true, it is.

Reasonable Americans can agree that no one who shouldn't have a gun should have one. Red flag laws, though, are peaceful slavery disguised as bipartisan utopianism, with even President Trump publicly supporting them.

Bipartisanship is often sold as doing what's right, but warm and fuzzy bipartisan agreements don't necessarily mean something good for the American people. Doing what's constitutional is what's right and correct, irrespective of whether it's bipartisan. It's almost the equivalent of legislating based on polls.

In my home state of Florida, both our U.S. senators, Marco Rubio and Rick Scott, support red flag laws. Rubio may be the most vocal cheerleader among Republican senators. That's why I named him my most recent Tessio Republican for my weekly video series. Inspired by Sal Tessio, from The Godfather, who betrays the Corleone family, a Tessio Republican is one who betrays America First voters and his constituents.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2nd; 4th; banglist; dueprocess; kaba
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To: Little Ray

Because it ‘proves’ they are “DOING SOMETHING” by golly.


21 posted on 09/20/2019 11:14:50 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

Hello, Hello? I am calling to Red Flag the guberment. We will be by to pick up the keys to the Armories.

I am also calling to Red Flag all body guards of the Hollywood elites. They make too many movies showing violence and should not be allowed to carry.


22 posted on 09/20/2019 11:21:48 AM PDT by oldasrocks (Heavily Medicated for your Protection.)
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To: Little Ray

Everyone with the intelligence to get in out of the rain knows that. Unfortunately, there are a lot that don’t meet that criteria. Like the Clintons, nothing is as it first appears with the Democrats. Yet people fall for their schemes everytime.


23 posted on 09/20/2019 11:22:41 AM PDT by sport
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To: rktman

No, I haven’t, but I have met my buddy’s current, and I’ll go ahead and say that both I and he are glad that she does not own a weapon.

And she’s an ex police officer... who shot someone in the head after they shot her, but oh dear Lord, she is a very scary woman.


24 posted on 09/20/2019 11:25:04 AM PDT by chris37 (Monday, March 25 2019 is Maga Day!)
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To: rktman

I have always thought the ultimate result of these laws will be another weapon women going through divorce can use against a gun owner soon to be ex.


25 posted on 09/20/2019 11:27:19 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: rktman

Here’s what they will do. Along with socialist medicine. We already have electronic records. No guns for you. I guess the psychiatrists could make the diagnosis with social media posts.

“Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) is defined by the DSM-5 as “a pattern of angry/irritable mood, argumentative/defiant behavior, or vindictiveness lasting at least 6 months as evidenced by at least four symptoms from any of the [defined] categories and exhibited during interaction with at least one individual who is not a sibling”.[1]Unlike children with conduct disorder (CD), children with oppositional defiant disorder are not aggressive towards people or animals, do not destroy property, and do not show a pattern of theft or deceit.[2] A diagnosis of ODD cannot be given if the child presents with conduct disorder.[3]”

Signs and symptoms

“The fourth revision of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV-TR) (now replaced by DSM-5) stated that the child must exhibit four out of the eight signs and symptoms to meet the diagnostic threshold for oppositional defiant disorder.[3] Furthermore, they must be perpetuated for longer than six months and must be considered beyond normal child behavior to fit the diagnosis.[4] Signs and symptoms were: actively refuses to comply with majority’s requests or consensus-supported rules;[5] performs actions deliberately to annoy others;[5] is angry and resentful of others;[4] argues often;[4] blames others for their own mistakes;[6]frequently loses temper;[6] is spiteful or seeks revenge;[6] and is touchy or easily annoyed.[6]”


26 posted on 09/20/2019 11:41:57 AM PDT by grumpygresh
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To: grumpygresh

Hmmm. Since I have no social media posts other than here I guess I would be classified as anti-social then. LOL!


27 posted on 09/20/2019 11:46:42 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

How do we determine who may be in possession of a weapon, and who should not? This would require a MASSIVE educational effort on the part of all levels of government, from local school boards on up to the US Congress.

Begin by giving a full and unbiased explanation of just what firearms ARE, and what they have meant to the unique American culture over the centuries. This would include the teaching of the REAL history of the founding of the United States, and the pressures that formed the consensus enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States, including the Bill of Rights.

By teaching the young how firearms work, that would go far to demystify the strange belief that guns somehow possess a degree of volition, in which the device seizes control of the mind of the person holding the gun, and directs that person to fire upon other persons in the immediate vicinity, indiscriminately and with only poor aim.

The education about the care, feeding, grooming, safe handling, and proper respect for the potential dangers inherent in sidearms, should proceed in an age appropriate manner.

In the early years, it is mostly “Hands off, don’t touch!” unless an adult of responsible nature is there to oversee and personally instruct the youngster the rules for approaching and handling the device. It would quickly become apparent that youth divides up into one of three distinct perceptions of weapons. One would be those who are so superstitiously in fear of guns, that not much of anything would induce them to ever come near the weapon. These children would then have to get specialized education on how to avoid, evade or escape from the presence of these devil devices, and as a precautionary measure, have some identifying information, either as a tattoo or an implanted chip, placed on them permanently, to aid in identification should the worst happen and all other measures fail when they do come in contact with a person of malicious intent.

A second group, also a rather small minority, would be those who show WAY too much interest in getting their hands on guns, and would use them as a means of impressing their will upon others who may be subject to being bullied. This kind of behavior would be noted and recorded, partly as a precaution, and partly for further evaluation as to whether these anti-social patterns are only temporary, or if this is part of a failure in character development leading to greater and greater eccentricities as they get older.

The third, and by far the largest group, would be those upon whom the respect for the weapons is immediately apparent, and of whom may then be taken to the next stage of instruction, that of the handling safely, and the assembly, disassembly, and maintenance of the device, and the basic instruction of selection of target, the framing of the target, aiming and holding the weapon in such manner as to achieve a degree of accuracy and effectiveness in hitting the target.

A much more informed and accurate determination of who may possess a weapon, and who should NEVER have one, could be made, perhaps years before it became apparent that the only recourse was to imprison or institutionalize those who should not.

Not perfect, by any means, but maybe just a couple stages better than what we now deal with.


28 posted on 09/20/2019 11:48:00 AM PDT by alloysteel (Nowhere in the Universe is there escape from the consequences of the crime of stupidity.)
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To: rktman

“Reasonable Americans can agree that no one who shouldn’t have a gun should have one.”

I disagree.

Because one person’s “shouldn’t” is never another person’s “shouldn’t”, and we SHOULDN’T be depriving people of their Bill of Rights Constitutional Liberties on the basis of peoples’ opinion.


29 posted on 09/20/2019 12:00:58 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Epstein proves it's all a charade.)
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To: rktman
It's not rocket science to figure out why these laws are the worst possible idea.

It wouldn't take long before the party in power is declaring that the opposition is "too crazy to won a gun". They've already planted the false narrative that anyone who's white and a nationalist is a Nazi.

Then, all it would take is a suspicion that us crazy ones own a gun. The storm troopers will be busting through folks doors in no time.

Beto did us a favor. He scared people.

30 posted on 09/20/2019 12:05:19 PM PDT by grania ("We're all just pawns in their game")
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31 posted on 09/20/2019 12:10:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: RummyChick

That does look like a tough, unfair case.


32 posted on 09/20/2019 1:28:55 PM PDT by umgud
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To: rktman

If these wholly UNCONSTITUTIONAL, DUE PROCESS DENYING legal fictions are allowed to move forward on the basis of LEFTIST LIES, untold innocents will die at the hands of agents of an increasingly tyrannical state operating under color of law!
7 MINUTE VIDEO
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Elq3P5UPmJCl/


33 posted on 09/20/2019 2:28:02 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: RummyChick
"On the other hand, what happens when a schizophrenic doesn’t take his meds and spirals out of control"

Anyone “adjudicated as a mental defective” is prohibited "from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing any firearm or ammunition" [18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(4), Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives]

Also, anyone with a protective order against them is prohibited (Lautenberg Amendment, VAWA, from other wrongful legislation).

There will be loopholes for wealthy people as long as there are lawyers in legislatures. People with above-the-laws funds will also beat red flag orders or any other kind of measure passed into law against human rights. But many women and the most effete of suburbanites will continue to help Democrats chip away at our Republic for now.

What many of the more educated and spoiled people fail to understand, is that this world will not be perfect. There is no utopia.


34 posted on 09/20/2019 4:37:17 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: RummyChick

That includes commitment for drug use, by the way. Follow the ATF link.


35 posted on 09/20/2019 4:45:09 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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