Posted on 08/22/2019 11:27:26 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
French President Emmanuel Macron told Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Thursday that there was not enough time to wholly rewrite Britain’s Brexit divorce deal before an Oct. 31 deadline.
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The failure of the May deal shows that there isn’t enough time.
1. There are only 22 working days of the UK parliament left
2. The deal would need to pass by not only the UK parliament but the other 27 parliaments. THAT will take time
The talks which occurred from April 2017 to November 2017 were
> On the rest of the eu side:
- the diplomats heard from different countries what their constraints were, which they would agree to and which they wouldn’t
- the negotiators then prepared a baseline document for negotiating with the UK that covered the concerns of the 27 countries and gave it to the 27 countries to pass through their parliaments as “guidelines for the negotiations”
- those 27 parliaments agreed to the guidelines
- post negotiations, the finalized deal was sent to those parliaments for ratification. They all found that their red lines were met or agreeable and they all agreed
> on the eu UK side
- May sent David Davis a leading LEAVE proponent to negotiate. He was famously unprepared
- May’s government didn’t get guidelines or discuss what they would negotiate with parliament. Parliament was completely in the dark
- In November 2018 the deal was made and the UK parliament for the first time got to vote on the deal
- they rejected it.
It was just bad, bad organization on the UK’s part.
Now if the deal is to be renegotiated it can go quickly if the ONLY item is about the irish border.
But Boris hasn’t brought any concrete alternatives.
Even if he did bring up a concrete alternative and the deal is to be changed ONLY on this matter, then the new deal still needs to pass through 28 parliaments.
It doesn’t seem likely
So the other countries agreed, but May sabotaged it by sending someone that had no hand in the negotiations?
Macron is pretending to be smart?
Never a day without a new scare story from MSM, blaming something on BRexit.
UK is the second-largest economy in Europe ...
WHICH MEANS there’s a lot of other European countries’economies tied to it that will ALSO be hard-hit if the EU refuses to deal co-operatively
The EU is playing hardball because they think they can inflict great pain on Britain, to teach them - and any other EU country thinking of leaving - a tough lesson.
In reality, all the EU will be doing is wrecking the economies of France, the Low Countries, Germany, and Scandinavia. So it’s actually in the EU’s interest to work with Britain to make some kind of peaceful transition ... the EU will suffer as much as Britain with this kind of intransigent stubbornness
If the EU really wanted a deal, they could put something together in weeks ... but they don’t want to cooperate, they’re determined to punish the Leavers and set an example
Rather - May sent one of the leading Brexiters, a leading proponent of LEAVE, to negotiate the deal.
This guy, David Davis, was woefully unprepared and led a shambles of a negotiation.
This was made worse by
1. Theresa May not getting parliament’s approval BEFORE starting the negotiations
2. Theresa May calling for a useless election in May 2017 where she nearly lost but had to get into bed with the Northern Irish DUP, which means that the backstop had to be devised and proposed by the UK
The standard way in negotiation a deal that later has to go through Congress etc. would be to first find out what are the “boundaries” to which Congress would agree and not to cross those. David Davis didn’t do that. So the thrice rejected May deal
yes, and the ones that will be hit the most are Ireland, France and the Netherlands. And these are the ones pushing for a stronger stance.
Can you detail how the EU is “playing hardball”?
I mean - what changes do you want to the May deal?
EU could actually co-operate - that isn’t the case now
They’re being as confrontational as possible, giving the perception that there will be some kind of “economic Iron Curtain” after Oct. 31 ... they’re deliberately trying to scare the financial markets and the citizenry (example: M. Macron’s unhelpful comment).
So, an end to the intimidation and fear-mongering by the EU would be a good start
** The Northern Ireland border will have to be some kind of “hard” one, as the EU and Britain will be separate sovereign entities after Oct. 31 ... and Britain can’t just let NI go or it will be seen as the IRA ultimately winning
They are co-operating? They’re saying “bring a proposal for how to manage the border issue” and Boris hasn’t brought any.
How are they being any more confrontational than Johnson’s cabinet? Some, like Priti said they’d starve the Irish, others thought that Ireland should join the UK etc.
Can you list any “intimidation and fear-mongering by the EU” please?
Yet the UK signed in 1997 the Good Friday Agreement which ended the Troubles in Northern Ireland.
The UK solemnly swore as part of the GFA to keep the borders open.
Are you really suggesting the UK to renege on their promises?
Obviously if the answer was simple, it would have been implemented by now
But bottom line:
after Oct. 31 Northern Ireland (not part of EU) and Ireland (part of EU) are separate and sovereign, which means they must control their own borders
something’s gotta give
MErkel cannot afford British tariffs on German goods in a no deal situation
7% of German exports head to the UK. If Tariffs come back up (as seems likely), this could dip to 5%, but since most of the goods sold are either high-end luxury items or expensive machine tools, the buyers will still buy them, albeit lesser quantities.
But I ask you again - I’m not sure what you want Merkel and Macron to offer — what do you want them to offer the UK?
Just write a British Declaration of Independence and send it to the EU on Oct 31.
you forget the bottom line also includes:
1. The UK (including NI) and Republic of Ireland solemnly swore to keep the border open.
2. NI and RoI are separate — NI is not sovereign as it is part of the UK
The UK solemnly swore to keep the border open
Lots of news articles about how a no-deal BRexit will crash the UK economy.
I see NO analysis on what will happen to the EU economy, particularly Germany, if they start getting into a pissing contest with Britain on trade, with the US on Britain's side against the Eurocrats.
Germany is selling 30-year bonds at negative interest rates and people are lining up to buy them. That means, long money is betting Germany will be worse off in 30 years. Good time for GB to exit, deal or not.
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