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MLK tapes: Secret FBI recordings-Martin Luther King of watching/laughing as rape happened-40 affairs
The Daily Mail ^ | 26 May 2019 | Jack Newman

Posted on 05/26/2019 6:26:43 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

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To: fieldmarshaldj; otness_e; Boiler Plate; MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; northislander; Leaning Right; ...

This again?

Does pretending MLKJr was a Republican or conservative get us any votes? It doesn’t appear to, not that it hurts so if nincompoops want to keep doing it, whatever.

But the FACTS are

1)He was a leftwing nutter, period. If he were still alive he’d be doing BLM propaganda from his wheelchair. He was better than the Black panthers and other militants, that’s the only nice thing I can say about him.

2)He was moral trash who enjoyed nothing more than debauching White women. IF this stuff about him cheering on while his friend raped a woman is true then he was no better than a POS gangbanger.

3)He wasn’t even all that important a Civil Rights leader, he’d be viewed as much less important today if he hadn’t been martyred. Jesus Christ is only dude who got murdered that deserves to be worshiped.

4)If you want to say he was a drum major, say he was a drum major for performing oral sex on White women.


381 posted on 05/28/2019 1:10:58 AM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I never heard that theory before. Did Stanley Ann ever even meet Mr. X?


382 posted on 05/28/2019 1:12:03 AM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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To: Impy

What is so sad and shameful is deciding to make MLK Jr. the J.C. of (Black) Civil Rights. There were countless people over the years who contributed, many paid with their lives (Medgar Evers, as an example), but all were brushed aside to canonize a single figure and elevate him above ALL of our Presidents (Washington & Lincoln aren’t celebrated anymore, just the generic President’s Day).


383 posted on 05/28/2019 1:19:26 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Who will think of the gerbils ? Just say no to Buttgiggity !)
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To: Impy

It’s been floated for some time, but based on obvious traits, it’s highly unlikely. Malcolm was lighter than Zero, and with an even Whiter woman, any children more than likely would’ve probably passed for White. If Barack, Sr. was not the bio dad, it would be Frank Marshall Davis. At least the complexion would be about right (Sr. might’ve been too dark to have fathered Barry).

Other than for Malcolm’s earlier years as a street hustler who also “serviced” older White men, I think after his conversion, there were no particular hints of sex scandal. Even they alluded to that in Spike Lee’s movie that compared to MLK, Malcolm was a “monk” (when they were surveilled by the FBI). I can’t see that Malcolm would’ve been in a situation in 1961 where he’d have been alone in a room with a White teenaged girl.


384 posted on 05/28/2019 1:29:56 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Who will think of the gerbils ? Just say no to Buttgiggity !)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Well, if it’s actually in error, I’ll have to note that on Conservapedia…

Still don’t understand why he’d make that essay denouncing Christianity and Communism as irreconcilable and especially condemn Communism for it, especially when not even most Closet Communists infiltrating the church do that (I know Pope Francis and Vladimir Putin most certainly don’t do that, and they’re communists in all but name currently). And I still don’t understand why he would be friends with Nixon as early as 1957 if he were a far-left ideologue (especially considering this was after Nixon jailed Alger Hiss, which earned him undying bitter enmity from the far left, even those who pretended to be patriotic anti-Communist people).


385 posted on 05/28/2019 3:51:47 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

To say the article and reference to that execrable Frances Rice piece is in error would be an understatement.

And, again, it’s very easy to understand when you accept that MLK Jr. was probably a fraud and a creation of outside forces looking to destroy our country from within. Claiming he was “friends” with Nixon is also not something I subscribe to by any stretch of the imagination. His goal was ultimately revolution, the left’s goal, and that was not a goal shared by the liberal Republican Nixon. When you need Harry Belafonte to be your puppetmaster/handler on a tv talk show, your ideology and agenda is about clear as the nose on your face.


386 posted on 05/28/2019 4:12:31 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Who will think of the gerbils ? Just say no to Buttgiggity !)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Well, I addressed the issue, and even managed to quote you, and suggested it needed to be vastly rewritten, namely remove the claims he was a republican. We’ll see how they decide.

I’m still doubtful that he’s a communist, however. A useful idiot to the Communists? Sure. But not a fellow traveler and certainly not an adherer to Communism, any more than Nixon was by aiding Mao Zedong, or Abraham Lincoln was for having Horace Greeley as a key member of his party or his corresponding with Karl Marx. And the main reason I doubt that is because of that essay he wrote where he specifically denounced it as incompatible with Christianity. Yes, I am fully aware that leftists tend to lie, but here’s the thing, the leftists also tend to craft their lies in such a manner that they actually CAN advance their goal and destroy their opposition. Claiming that Communism is irreconcilable with Christianity, and more importantly, that Communism must never be embraced because of its atheism, whether a lie or the truth (and I definitely know it’s the latter) does NOT advance communism in any way, and if anything outright hinders it. You want an example of leftist liars actually advancing Communism while posing as Christians? Look at Vladimir Putin, as he posed as a Christian, and also managed to claim that Lenin’s statutes and the Saints relics were inseparable, and also claimed the same for the tenants for both Communism and Christianity, and Pope Francis couldn’t even do an even worse job at hiding his being a Communist despite wearing papal robes. Heck, just look at Liberation Theology, which actually DID paint them as inseparable in order to infiltrate the church. And it’s not a claim that MLK was friends with Nixon, either. There’s even photographic evidence to it as well. Case in point: https://www.conservapedia.com/images/7/71/Nixon-and-Martin-Luther-King.png

And here’s the source for that image: https://amgreatness.com/2018/07/29/the-switch-that-never-happened-how-the-south-really-went-gop/


387 posted on 05/28/2019 4:33:28 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

As FReeper Beautiful_Gracious_Skies said, “If it walks like a duck...” When you need Harry Belafonte, who has never yet found a Communist dictator he doesn’t praise, to handle and manage you for a tv talk show, you cannot possibly be signaling where you stand any louder. The more you dig into MLK’s life, the uglier it gets. A photo op with Nixon won’t change that.

We’re going in circles with this discussion.


388 posted on 05/28/2019 5:08:40 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Who will think of the gerbils ? Just say no to Buttgiggity !)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Maybe, but then again, why write an essay condemning Communism as antithetical to Christianity if he was one, and explicitly state they will never reconcile their differences, if he was a Communist? Even under Taqqiya-type lying, that has absolutely no tactical or strategic value for the Communists, especially when making very clear that fundamental truth that Communists and Christianity simply cannot mix together would destroy any potential propaganda value of converting Christians into Communists. In fact, if I were Harry Belafonte, a Communist ideologue in other words, and I saw MLK wrote that, I’d scream at him as being a traitor to the revolution and shoot him dead for publishing that paper.

Besides, going by the argument “if it walks like a duck...”, you could also argue that Abraham Lincoln is a closet Marxist for doing correspondence with Karl Marx, not to mention Horace Greeley being one of his key members of the Republican Party (and Greeley is obviously a Karl Marx fanboy based on his hiring him and Engels for correspondence and advocating for many of the same radical reforms). Hope you’re prepared for that possibility.


389 posted on 05/28/2019 5:35:06 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

And let’s not forget, even Jim Jones, whom you cited was someone who posed as a Christian in order to manipulate his flock into becoming Communists, nonetheless pushed for Socialism in his sermons, even falsely implying that adhering to Socialism makes one sinless, something that not even MLK dared try to do and if anything went out of his way to state Communism is incompatible with Christianity and must never be embraced (and that’s even more strengthening since both were operating around the same time). If anything, Jim Jones did far more taqiyya stuff than MLK ever did.


390 posted on 05/28/2019 5:40:39 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Debunked on FR.”

Ok, has anyone ever found MLK’s voter registration, one way or another?


391 posted on 05/28/2019 5:52:33 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: otness_e

You can choose to see what is there or choose not to see.


392 posted on 05/28/2019 6:00:53 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Who will think of the gerbils ? Just say no to Buttgiggity !)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Even if I wanted very badly to see MLK as a Communist, an actual Communist ideologue who wanted to subvert everything to Communism I should add, more than a useful idiot to Communism, as badly as liberals see Nixon as Satan incarnate I should add, the facts simply don’t bear out especially after his essay stating that Christianity and Communism can never be intermingled. The closest thing he’s got to being a Communist is that he was ultimately a dupe and a useful idiot to Communism, not a fellow traveler or a card-carrying member. Heck, I wouldn’t even be surprised if Harry Belafonte ordered for that hit on MLK as a response to that essay, knowing just how much of a far-left ideologue that jerk is.

Is MLK a sexual pervert? Yes, he is. Is he a plagiarist? Like Thomas Jefferson, yes, he is a plagiarist? Is there evidence to him being a closet agnostic, probably (I’d probably argue he’s closer to an open Christian in beliefs than Thomas Jefferson was. At least MLK didn’t write something like the Jefferson Bible that gutted any and all divinity of Christ, or call the Triune God Cerberus in utter mockery). Was he an idiot to denounce Vietnam? You bet. Does he really deserve deification status? Absolutely not. But there’s still no evidence to suggest he continued to adhere to Communism. Any more than Nixon or Lincoln qualify as Communists.


393 posted on 05/28/2019 6:08:06 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: LS

I’ve not heard if they have. He would’ve been eligible to vote with the 1950 elections. In 1950, he was in Chester, Pennsylvania as a student at Crozer Theological Seminary. Whether he voted in that election is unknown (that was a Republican area, so voting Dem would’ve been a futile exercise, and Chester was curious in that it had a Black GOP political machine that lasted until past 2000, for whatever relevance that has).

I believe he was in Boston (Boston U) in 1952. If he was a registered voter there, I don’t know. In 1954, he would’ve been a resident of Montgomery, Alabama. Ditto in 1956. This was the only time it was known that he supported a Republican for President (I don’t know if he definitively voted). Although Alabama went for the ticket of Stevenson & Kefauver in 1956 with 57%, Montgomery County was one of just 11 counties to vote for Eisenhower (Ike got a plurality of 46%). Of course, prominent NY Black Dem Congressman Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. endorsed Eisenhower in that election.

In 1958, he would still be in Montgomery and in 1960 became a resident of Atlanta (I believe he was considered a resident of Atlanta until his death in 1968). So any voter registrations would have to be discovered in those locales.


394 posted on 05/28/2019 6:22:30 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Who will think of the gerbils ? Just say no to Buttgiggity !)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; ...
Thanks fieldmarshaldj.

395 posted on 05/28/2019 8:50:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; fieldmarshaldj; bray; Boiler Plate; skimbell; LittleBillyInfidel; GraceG; ...

So esteemed MLK historian expert civil rights author- David Garrow has been condemning the FBI wiretap of King and has been defending King for 40+ years.

But now, Garrow KNOWS the FBI tapes are authentic because they are 100% consistent with the new phone tap conversations from the file. Plus all the other incidental things happening in the life of MLK -witnesses, times, dates, people, places & writings collaborate these events. And he is going to write this before some tabloid with a FOIA request access the mother lode.

The HOTEL room bug transcripts are now solidly confirmed by the wiretapped phone conversation transcripts which occur around the days of those sex events.

1. So the FBI tapes included the raping a church lady who is loudly protesting as King offers ‘rape-advice’ to the other pastor with other fellow church women present at the Willard Hotel.

2. Another FBI tape has King forcing or coercing women into performing lesbian acts or sodomy acts for King’s group entertainment’ show at an orgy for fellow pastors in Miami.

These ARE the tapes which the FBI copies and delivers one copy to MLK and a separate copy to Coretta King with a warning to cease his CR activities or risk exposure. (MLK rejects them and claiming to be invincible). FBI is anticipating mayhem for the upcoming Spring March on the Washington Mall. King dies 3 weeks later.

So there were multiple copies of the same sex-episode tapes.

3. King’s dead. His King family and CR leaders want the tapes forgotten and buried for eternity. But, Congress, FBI, Family & Friends, etc. know of their existence. This later becomes THE bone of contention for years of debate regarding whether to establish that King was a ‘saint’ and whether to declare the MLK holiday.

4. However, fast forward to 2011 and the release of JFK documents which should have no bearing on MLK. Wrong, They hid some of the MLK documents with the JFK classified files and now they have been consumed and circulated by the press and again in 2013 and 2017,... guaranteed that more MLK docs will pop out.

5. So the original sex tapes, as well as many others are now collaborated-confirmed again by 2nd or 3rd wire taps. King is recorded by phone tap bragging and reliving or discussing these same sexual activities and events to his friends in by phone. He is discussing - the forced sex details, the orgies, women or attendees by name, etc. These sex conversations were tapped from the phone wires, not the bugs in the lamps at King’s hotel rooms. These recordings could be from wires at home or the office or hotel phones.

These various phone transcripts would confirm the original live sex tapes from the lamp bugs in the hotel room. In any case, they erase any doubt of the tapes or transcripts authenticity. And these transcripts were transcribed by multiple FBI agents, yet they refer to the exact same sexual activities —signed, logged, dated, etc.

6. When Jackie-’O’ was referring to MLK ‘as such a despicable man’ in an interview, it was because she had heard about the sordid activities from Bobby Kennedy at the Willard (Mitt’s) Hotel.

As Attorney General, Bobby had signed the warrant for the FBI to tap MLK in 1962. Hoover asked for a warrant, the Kennedys refused and said, “Let us talk to him first. Their demand was for MLK to rid his organization of Communists, particularly Stanley Levison, who was a former office holder and the Treasurer of CPUSA. Levison was acting as MLK’s Chief of Staff, speech writer, fund-raiser, & attorney. King refused to comply after speaking with both Bobby and Pres. Kennedy. So AG-Bobby signed the FBI warrant and the wire-tap remained in place indefinitely.

This is later discussed on the floor of the Senate with Sen. Jesse Helms challenging the debate whether to declare MLK a National holiday. Dems, especially Ted is condemning Hoover’s ‘invasive’ wiretap of MLK. Helms is laughing and telling Ted Kennedy he should be taking it up with his brother JFK or Bobby (both deceased) since they are the ones who authorized the FBI to tap MLK- LOL

Back to the present:::After shifting through mounds of overwhelming collaborating data from multiple transcripts, David Garrow- MLK expert admirer historian professor civil rights guru finally wakes up and has an epiphany that his hero is also a complete dirtbag and he can’t disguise this any longer.

Garrow makes the decision to out MLK now because of the #MeToo Movement or to straighten up his own record on MLK. As the premier historian of MLK, he has repeatedly ignored the truth which has always been in plain sight. He also defends and ignores the fact that MLK was a complete academic fraud that plagiarized most of what he wrote, often verbatim. (Including his first sermon.) Or Garrow is working on a new book and is cashing in on years of his research.

Camelot gone. MLK myth gone along with it.

Now we know WHY the MLK documents were poached from the real MLK files and buried within with John F. Kennedy’s forever-shielded-top-secret-assassination records.

Call it -Kennedy’s posthumous protection.


396 posted on 05/28/2019 10:11:25 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Well, guess that decreases my respect for the guy significantly, then. Not entirely destroys it, though. At least he spoke out against Communism in that “Can a Christian be a Communist” essay, something no Communist adherent, no matter how stealthy, could ever do (Vladimir Putin, Jim Jones, and Pope Francis certainly didn’t).

Really wish they’d release the actual audio, though. I mean, if you’re going to claim you’ve got audio recordings of it, post them ASAP. That’s what I would have done.


397 posted on 05/28/2019 10:44:39 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Wonder if John Lewis was involved in this debauchery?

Now that would be a good one.

398 posted on 05/28/2019 10:46:10 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: otness_e

The audio is under seal until 2027 to keep his legend in tact.

Who really wants to a listen to a woman begging not to be raped and raped by a team of reverends?...

The moral depravity and degradation is so shameful for those parishioners in that room.

That paper- King poached it or his commie-lawyer, Levison wrote it.

Go back and read the plagiarism analysis on MLK from 1994 and realize that he may have not composed that essay, much like the rest of the papers, books, sermons and speeches he claimed as his own.

https://www.amren.com/news/2018/01/martin-luther-king-jr-plagiarism/

In a nutshell: if it sounded intelligent, he stole it from elsewhere.


399 posted on 05/28/2019 11:12:38 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

I know about the plagiarism charges, but then again, even Thomas Jefferson has plagiarized from John Locke’s Second Treatise when drafting the Declaration of Independence, so I’m still not so sure (I know if I were to go by the idea that even one instance of plagiarism makes one irredeemable, let alone multiple instances, our entire country was founded on a lie thanks to Jefferson and thus doesn’t deserve to exist at all that we should all keel over and die, and I’m pretty sure even you would find that way too extreme to embrace.). And besides, that still doesn’t address how he can be a communist and write, whether plagiarized or not, that kind of tract denouncing it. This isn’t like George Lucas where he tried to condemn so-called “American Imperialism” with Star Wars yet ironically enough ended up condemning his heroes in the USSR instead, since he specifically indicates Communism is bad and can never mix with Christianity. I know if I were MLK, and a communist especially, then plagiarist or not, I’d deliberately avoid making any statements that even imply I think Communism is bad and cannot mix well with Christianity.

And quite frankly, if they wanted to keep the legend intact, why on earth would they let this slip? If you’re going to bother claiming this bit, just release the tapes. Otherwise, keep your dang mouth shut. Those are the only two options.

Also, I’m definitely doubtful Levison wrote that paper on how Christianity and Communism can never mix. As you said, he was a Communist, and I’m doubtful a Communist, an open communist I should add, would write a paper outright condemning Communism in favor of Christianity. I know I wouldn’t if I had been a Communist. Vladimir Lenin, Jim Jones, and Pope Francis among others certainly didn’t. If anything, had Levison written that paper, he would have condemned Christianity, not Communism.


400 posted on 05/28/2019 11:25:07 AM PDT by otness_e
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