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MLK tapes: Secret FBI recordings-Martin Luther King of watching/laughing as rape happened-40 affairs
The Daily Mail ^ | 26 May 2019 | Jack Newman

Posted on 05/26/2019 6:26:43 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

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To: otness_e

Do not respond to me again as your mind is incapable of staying on topic.


401 posted on 05/28/2019 11:27:49 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: otness_e

“...the Declaration of Independence ....”

This was NOT an academic document! I am not sure the idea of plagiarism even applies. Locke wrote his literary works with the idea that they might be used and applied. Seems to me Jefferson was doing exactly what Locke wanted to see happen. You could also “argue” in some sense that Locke stole from numerous other philosophers probably going back to Plato.


402 posted on 05/28/2019 11:30:56 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

It was on topic, as my overall post was about MLK, and expressing how I wasn’t sure whether his being a plagiarist would work in claiming he was a communist (since, again, the essay he wrote, whether plagiarized or not, specifically condemned communism), and I even pointed out that Levison writing that tract is even less likely precisely because he was a communist and thus wouldn’t even DARE claim Christianity was superior to Communism. And last I checked, the topic was about the transcripts on MLK apparently being amused at rapes. I covered those. That doesn’t mean I can’t use TJ or anyone else to back up any responses to that topic because they are still ultimately relevant to that point. MLK is a plagiarist, TJ is a plagiarist, ergo, both relevant to the topic at hand.


403 posted on 05/28/2019 11:33:52 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: Reily

Tell that to Richard Henry Lee. He outright accused Thomas Jefferson of plagiarism when he did the Declaration of Independence, and not only did TJ not deny it, he even implied that was its strongest reason for promoting its values. Don’t believe me? Here’s some sources:

*https://mises.org/library/real-jefferson

*https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/excursions/was-thomas-jefferson-plagiarist


404 posted on 05/28/2019 11:37:12 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

I would tell that to Lee.
As I remember it they were political rivals.

Also John Adams said much of the same thing when he was feeling ignored and not getting the proper credit for his role.

Again politics not academics!


405 posted on 05/28/2019 11:39:55 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

So? Technically, many of the fictional works are plagiarism as well even if they intended it to be repeated. When it’s outright copied, it’s plagiarism. I would say it if someone, say, copied plotlines to my stories, even if I actually approved of them and given the go-ahead to do so. Heck, George Lucas plagiarized Buck Rogers, and I’m pretty sure they gave the go-ahead.

Either way, it still doesn’t change that Thomas Jefferson did indeed plagiarize, not just repeated some themes, but outright lifted word for word some stuff. And quite frankly, I’d consider Thomas Jefferson cheerleading the Jacobins and eviscerating William Short, a guy he considered his own son, to be far more damning that MLK being duped by Communists.


406 posted on 05/28/2019 11:51:14 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e

And I might as well add, cheerleading them even when he saw first hand their barbarism during Bastille Day.


407 posted on 05/28/2019 11:52:09 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: wardaddy; fieldmarshaldj

MLK’s wiretaps were indeed authorized by Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy after King refused to separate himself from known Communist members who were his top level advisors.

Bayard Rustin was King’s main advisor and mentor/handler in the late 1950’s. Rustin joined the Young Communist League in 1936; then (CPUSA) through the 1940’s.

The Soviets directed CPUSA to get active in civil rights movement for African-Americans. Following Stalin’s theory of nationalism, (CPUSA) favored the creation of a separate nation for African-Americans to be located in the south of the USA. However, after 1941 when Germany invaded the Soviet Union, Stalin ordered the CPUSA to abandon civil rights work and focus on getting the USA into WW2.

Disillusioned, Rustin began working with members of the Socialist Party instead. Rustin was a homosexual and was arrested in Pasadena, California in 1953 for committing sodomy in a car with two other men. He pleaded guilty to the crime of sex perversion and served 60 days in jail.

Rustin, the Communist and sexual pervert (that was the charge that he plead guilty to in 1953) then becomes Martin Luther King Jr’s #1 mentor, speech writer and adviser a few years later.

Another one of King’s most trusted advisors was Stanley Levison - he was another leader in the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) in the 1950’s. Yet another of King’s advisors and a director of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference was Jack O’Dell. During the 1950’s O’Dell was a member of the CPUSA.

Both Robert & John Kennedy tried to persuade MLK to separate himself from these communists that held powerful positions within his organization - MLK refused.

FBI Wiretaps of Martin Luther King Jr.
On October 10, 1963 Attorney General Robert Kennedy authorized the FBI to begin wiretapping the telephones of MLK. The Kennedy brothers were both liberal yet even they decided that the FBI needed to wiretap MLK because of his close connections to known Communists.


408 posted on 05/28/2019 11:53:08 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: otness_e

whatever!

I am not a huge fan of Jefferson anyway so I am not going to be into huge ‘count the angels on the pin” argument over this.

I leave you the field!


409 posted on 05/28/2019 11:54:44 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

Fine by me, and I’m less of a fan of him thanks to his supporting the butchery of Catholics during the French Revolution.

In any case, my point by bringing up Jefferson was to point out that if one is to condemn MLK for plagiarism as an irredeemable monster, the same ultimately would have to be done with Jefferson, and why quit there? Might as well condemn all of humanity for plagiarism and commit mass sui-genocide against as all as punishment for that crime.


410 posted on 05/28/2019 12:12:54 PM PDT by otness_e
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Why hasn’t this story been mentioned in American news?

Is it because there is no truth to it, or because the media in concert has decided America can’t handle it?


411 posted on 05/28/2019 12:15:22 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: otness_e

I’ve heard it said there really is a very few number of original ideas everything is a re-hashing of them.


412 posted on 05/28/2019 12:17:42 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Yaelle

Doesn’t fit the narrative. Always remember when it comes to the treasonous Communist media, the issue ain’t the issue, the issue is revolution.


413 posted on 05/28/2019 12:20:52 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Who will think of the gerbils ? Just say no to Buttgiggity !)
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To: Reily

To quote South Park, “Simpsons did it !”


414 posted on 05/28/2019 12:22:02 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Who will think of the gerbils ? Just say no to Buttgiggity !)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

You sure it wasn’t Lucy & Ethel?


415 posted on 05/28/2019 12:23:33 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

The irony of countless Black households having prominent pictures of JFK on display while he signed off on bugging Saint MLK and his sexual perversions just takes the cake.


416 posted on 05/28/2019 12:25:09 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Who will think of the gerbils ? Just say no to Buttgiggity !)
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To: Reily

Them, too. Laurel & Hardy, Chaplin, and on and on...


417 posted on 05/28/2019 12:26:13 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Who will think of the gerbils ? Just say no to Buttgiggity !)
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To: Yaelle

In 2011, 2013, 2017 and now, it is always the British papers that run with it first. Then it is copied to the blog sites.

Then if Drudge or some other conglomerate shows it, the MSM will have a little pow-wow.

CNN will insert Trump or your Governor’s name in the headline.
NYSlimes will make it an attack on J.Edgar Hoover.
WaPo will conflate it unsourced with Kellyann or Sarah
MSNBC will make it about Kavanugh with an MLK insert


418 posted on 05/28/2019 12:43:06 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: fieldmarshaldj

That’s to stop the deniers that claim it was a warrant-less illegal tap. and make Hoover the target of the findings.

There was a legit reason. There’s a long list of CPUSA members and 2 KGB embeds in MLK’s group. That was reason enough. The FBI would have been derelict not to have been listening to King. And then just about 1 year later, King applies for a visa to travel to Russia and meet fellow ‘Russian-Baptists.’ Request Denied.


419 posted on 05/28/2019 12:55:07 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Again with the communists thing, plagiarism or not, I still don’t buy the idea that MLK is a communist especially not after he made that essay outright denouncing Communism as being an atheistic ideology that cannot be mixed with Christian principles. If he were truly a Communist plant, I’m pretty sure he’d be saying the exact same stuff promoting socialism even on paper that Vladimir Putin, Pope Francis, and Jim Jones did. Heck, he even made a similar speech denouncing Communism as inherently anti-Christian even earlier in 1953, as you can read in the following links:

https://christiancivics.org/blog/2018-4-10-on-mlks-can-a-christian-be-a-communist/

www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/can-christian-be-communist-sermon-delivered-ebenezer-baptist-church

Contrast that with, say, Jim Jones, who said, among other things, “If you’re born in this church, this socialist revolution, you’re not born in sin. If you’re born in capitalist America, racist America, fascist America, then you’re born with a big d***o in sin. But if you’re born in socialism, you’re not born in sin.” and “I brought you here to regroup, recoup, rehabilitate and gain strength, and militancy, and a proper education in Marxist-Leninism, which you had never picked up, even though I was avowedly, openly Marxist-Leninist and atheist, you have never picked it up, for the most part, in the United States, except for a handful.” Or how Vladimir Putin said that “[he] liked Communist and socialist ideas very much and [he] like[s] them still.” and especially in Valaam, “Communist ideology is very similar to Christianity, in fact: freedom, equality, brotherhood, justice — everything is laid out in the Holy Scripture, it’s all there. And the code of the builder of communism? This is sublimation, it’s just such a primitive excerpt from the Bible, nothing new was invented.” and also “Look, Lenin was put in a mausoleum. How is this different from the relics of saints for Orthodox Christians and just for Christians?” Or how about his claim that the Moral Code of the Builder of Communism had “wonderful ideas” comparable to the bible? And he’s the guy posing as a Christian in Russia. If anything, MLK even with his flaws is infinitely closer to a true Christian than Jones and Putin ever will be.


420 posted on 05/28/2019 1:23:21 PM PDT by otness_e
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