Posted on 04/29/2019 11:58:31 AM PDT by Cronos
I find myself trying to remember ever hearing a muslim forgiving an attacker. Is forgiveness even mentioned in their false doctrine book?
To defend yourself is also Christian. Jesus told his disciples that if they had 2 cloaks to sell one and buy a sword. That doesn’t sound to me like somebody telling his believers to go meekly to their doom.
CC
Forgiveness requires repentance.
It is the height of hubris -- and preposterous -- to believe you can forgive someone for a crime against someone else.
How Bergoglio of him.
Sometimes we forgive, not because we feel it because we often don’t when dastardly things are done, but we forgive because Jesus asked that we do. Therefore we can say it in obedience to Him just as Jesus ‘spoke to the Father’ to forgive those ‘who knew not’ what they were doing.....
However, what about those who know perfectly well that what they are doing is taking anothers life? After all there were two thieves on the cross , one who acknowledged what he did was worthy of their suffering , but the other thief mocked Jesus. Only one went to paradise with Jesus that day.
I don’t think there’s a blanket forgiveness for atrocities as these suicide bombers do in purposely killing masses of people that they fully knew and planned to massively kill.
Sometimes we forgive, not because we feel it because we often don’t when dastardly things are done, but we forgive because Jesus asked that we do. Therefore we can say it in obedience to Him just as Jesus ‘spoke to the Father’ to forgive those ‘who knew not’ what they were doing.....
However, what about those who know perfectly well that what they are doing is taking anothers life? After all there were two thieves on the cross , one who acknowledged what he did was worthy of their suffering , but the other thief mocked Jesus. Only one went to paradise with Jesus that day.
I don’t think there’s a blanket forgiveness for atrocities as these suicide bombers do in purposely killing masses of people that they fully knew and planned to massively kill.
Why must he publicize this?
My understanding of forgiveness is that it has to be done by the injured party to the person who sinned against them.
I don't recall seeing anywhere in Scripture that one forgives evil done against someone else.
We do not have the power to do that. Only God can do that.
This is a transaction in which someone has to confess and truly repent before forgiveness from the offended one(s) can come into play.
To shoot the mad dog bomber before he pulls the cord is Christian. To save the innocents from being victimized is Christian. Jesus commanded His followers to acquire personal arms, to sell their spare coat to get a sword, if necessary.
To not seek revenge is Christian. That's up to God, His purview. To "forgive" without repentance of the offender is not Christian. It is not love, nor is it justice, and it is not godly. That kind of shoving the incident under the rug is devilish in origin.
The Sri Lankan pastor shows his lack of spiritual development. He apparently has not learned anything from this event God has allowed to be placed in his path as a counselor.
Nevertheless, I can see it having the potential to drive the muzzies crazy.
How effective can terror attacks be when people refuse to accept in in the manner in which it is meant?
It puts the Christians beyond the reach of the muzzies. Muslim's whole culture is based on continual, generational retaliation for wrongs done and grudges held in perpetuity.
When the Christians refuse to play by the muzzies rules and refuse to take the offense and retaliate, then it takes away any reason they have for their actions.
The mileage bullies get is out of the reaction of the victim. If you don't give them what they want, it's very disarming.
Perhaps that is the best definition of forgiveness out there.
Giving up your right to exact revenge and expect the other person to answer to you and pay for what they did.
The problem is, there is no paying for what happens to hurt most of us. It cannot be undone. The only thing to do it forgive the person, that is release them from the debt they owe us for what they did to us.
Unfortunately, to the muzzards it is a confession of weakness. They are all about paying off scores and scheming to destroy enemies.
It puts the Christians beyond the reach of the muzzies. Muslim’s whole culture is based on continual, generational retaliation for wrongs done and grudges held in perpetuity.
When the Christians refuse to play by the muzzies rules and refuse to take the offense and retaliate, then it takes away any reason they have for their actions.
The mileage bullies get is out of the reaction of the victim. If you don’t give them what they want, it’s very disarming.
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actually this is not true.
The objective of Islam is to cleanse the earth of infidels for Allah.
Whether you give them a hard time or are nice about it does not matter to them.
the objective is genocidal cleansing.
Same as the Nazis in WWII. If the Nazis were not stopped by the Allies their genocidal murderous behaviors would have continued in one form or another today.
There are times to be meek, and there are times to upend tables and arm up. Christ spoke about this.
You didn’t say anything about repentance
When repentance occurs and the person asks for it, forgiveness MUST be granted.
But there are times that that is not possible, such as when the person has passed on.
In the case of an abusive father, for example, if he is gone, he is no longer around to repent and ask forgiveness, and yet the child victimized by that parent at some point must decide whether they are going to continue to live in unforgiveness and reap the consequences, or forgive him anyways.
It doesn’t change anything for the person who committed the offense, but it is very freeing for the person offended.
True that.
I suppose, at the very least, it puts them on a level above the muslims. They at least aren’t looking for retaliation, but leaving room for God to deal with it.
He says, *Vengeance is mine, I will repay.*
Sometimes better to leave them in God’s hands than demand they answer to us.
The reason for their action is they are doing what Allah wants done, and following the examples set by Muhmmad and the first 4 Caliphs.
Muslims don't care how infidels feel about their killing non- Muslims or Muslim heretics. - Tom
True that.
I suppose, at the very least, it puts them on a level above the muslims. They at least aren’t looking for retaliation, but leaving room for God to deal with it.
He says, *Vengeance is mine, I will repay.*
Sometimes better to leave them in God’s hands than demand they answer to us.
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Sometimes that taking the high road works. Sometimes it doesnt...like in Japan.
Genocide is genocide. One cannot exist if one permits one’s group to be exterminated. To not act in this situaion is to exterminate Christianity.
Sometimes I think that Whites and Christians have a brain parasite that causes them to run to the predator. Like Toxoplasmosis with mice and cats.
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