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1 posted on 04/15/2019 5:52:50 AM PDT by Kaslin
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Who is there left to forgive?


2 posted on 04/15/2019 5:56:11 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Kaslin

We must forgive as if we hold onto anger we are only harming ourselves.

However, forgiveness does not mean that we become stupid and vulnerable to allowing the experience to happen again.


3 posted on 04/15/2019 5:56:44 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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Didn’t God forgive Israel of its sins when he allowed them to return to Jerusalem after the exile?


4 posted on 04/15/2019 5:58:11 AM PDT by circlecity
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If we lived by the rule of an “Eye for an Eye,” pretty soon the entire world would be blind.


5 posted on 04/15/2019 5:58:14 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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“Those who forget their past are sentenced to having no future”

Yes, exactly, and OUR past is now being obliterated, right as we’re being invaded.

22 trillion in debt
Over 3,000 invaders cross our border EVERY night

Do we really need an Iranian War, a war belonging to a sandy country half way across the globe..?

We would finish up like the UK at the end of WW2; bankrupt, bereft of international influence, totally filled up with foreigners, barely able to defend herself, to say nothing of tilting at windmills.

They are putting the pieces in place.

NEVER FORGET applies to US, too, ya know.


6 posted on 04/15/2019 5:58:32 AM PDT by gaijin
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No, never.

And any politician perpetrating genocide in fact, shall be banished from the face of this earth.

Forgiveness would eventually allow genocide to happen repeatedly.


9 posted on 04/15/2019 6:06:36 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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Is there a difference, then, between forgiving and forgetting?

Yep - forgiveness is an internal device that keeps us from stewing in the bile of continued antipathy....

Like the lady who had her friend helping her with a guest list for a party she was throwing. Her friend looked the list over and exclaimed, "I see Jane is on your list, she needs to be dropped because of what she did to you a few years ago. Her name here must be a mistake."
The lady said, "Jane stays on the list - it wasn't an oversight or mistake that she's there."
Her friend said, But, don't you remember what she did to you?"
The lady said, "Of course I remember it. I also distinctly remember forgetting it."

"Forgetting" isn't always forgetting as part of the forgiveness process..it is a conscious decision to allow one to get on with life...if one is ma mature enough adult to pull it off.

11 posted on 04/15/2019 6:09:22 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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Murder by definition cannot be forgiven in human terms. The victim isn’t alive any more to extend forgiveness.


12 posted on 04/15/2019 6:10:44 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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delaying the judgment they were due (see 1 Kings 21:27-29; 2 Chronicles 33:10-17). They were responsible for many deaths, yet God postponed their punishment.

If you read the 2 chapters in total, it becomes a lot more clear what delayed punishment meant. They were both in fact judged for their actions.

15 posted on 04/15/2019 6:18:13 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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the Holocaust could be forgiven but not forgotten.

In a rational world, forgiveness must be earned. Is there a sincere apology with restitution to the victims? Does the guilty party demonstrate through word and deed that he understands the roots of his immoral behavior and accept full responsibility, and that his character is reformed enough to guarantee that he will never repeat the offenses?

16 posted on 04/15/2019 6:19:34 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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Are the millions still dead?
Can the horror be undone?
Is the loss to the victims still permanent?
THEN NO!

Is slavery forgiven or forgotten? Well, then, if you can start with recent events, like daily murders and crime that ruin lives then you can talk about crimes that stain the history of humanity.

No! It's for God almighty to forgive,if He has. I would not presume.
17 posted on 04/15/2019 6:20:04 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (ISLAM is the problem. ISLAM is the enemy of civilization.)
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What is forgiveness?
Maybe God has the ability to forgive unconditionally but that's a lot to ask of ordinary humans.
Some thing are hard to forgive.
Forgiving anything from personal slights to genocide, it's not the same thing.
Just because I forgive does not imply I think it was OK.
I can easily forgive a minor slight.
I can forgive an injury if it does not happen again.
I can maybe forgive abuse if the abuser apologizes and stops abusing.
Do I have to love my abuser after forgiving him or is it OK keep a distance.
Am I supposed to trust again.
What if my abuser does not apologize, admits to nothing and thinks I'm being ridiculous and overreacting?
Am I supposed forgive when my abuser is dead and gone, even when I still hurt?
If I forgive just to put it behind me, because my resentment is eating my insides like acid, is that really forgiveness?
Should I forgive crime when the perp is still free.
Do I have the right to forgive on someone else's behalf?
Is it even possible to forgive genocide?
After how many generations?

Forgiveness is not a trivial subject. Discussion?

18 posted on 04/15/2019 6:32:50 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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How can I ask forgiveness if I can’t forgive others.


22 posted on 04/15/2019 6:43:08 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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I think the difference is ‘wholesale forgiveness’ vs individual forgiveness

One of my personal heroines is a Dutch Christian named Corrie ten Boom....
....she and her middle aged sister lived in the heart of Haarlem, Holland during the war
They were devote and loving Christians

They were also compassionate and when Jewish people.....who trusted and loved them....began turning up at their door seeking help and hiding.....the tenBooms obliged

Corrie’s Christian brother, a Pastor, and his sons even helped with ‘underground rescue’

They were found out......Corrie and her sister Betsy were sent to Ravenbruck
Her father died in prison......her brother came out of prison seriously ill and dies soon from tuberculosis of the spine
Her sister died in Ravensbruck

Corrie was released eventually after many months of harsh conditions...
Soon after the war’s end.......one of the brutal guards heard her speak at a Christian service.......She talked about forgiveness, and only through God can we forgive

This guard came up to her and put out his hand to shake....and asked her forgivene
...as she tells it, she could no more take his hand in forgiveness than anything....
...so she prayed for God’s help......put out her hand and forgave him

Did she forget what happened to her family and her?.....Of course not!
Could she trust God to move her forward in life and heal her heart.....YES!

I’ve been to the Holocaust Museum in DC and have read enough books on it to know it was horrific and words cannot describe the satanic horror of this.
So I’m not dismissing the real feelings of rage in some people.
I’m just telling you Corrie’s story.


25 posted on 04/15/2019 6:58:04 AM PDT by Guenevere
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Where does it stop?


27 posted on 04/15/2019 7:10:30 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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I doubt I will forgive the MSM in my lifetime.
Which is convenient because I doubt they will ever ask for it.


28 posted on 04/15/2019 7:13:31 AM PDT by Leep (It's.. (W)all or nothing..!)
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ISRAEL LIVES!


29 posted on 04/15/2019 7:17:02 AM PDT by onedoug
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Fake uproar.

The fact that Germany is a country (and was two countries) shows it was forgiven.


34 posted on 04/15/2019 7:37:49 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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Retribution is the Lord's


40 posted on 04/15/2019 7:56:08 AM PDT by montag813
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“Can The Holocaust Be Forgiven?”

No, because you can’t forgive a “thing”. You can’t forgive “cancer”. You can’t forgive a “tree”.

You can only forgive what has the “capacity” to accept forgiveness.

While they can accept, reject, or ignore the forgiveness the object of forgiveness has to be able to accept.

Even a person in a coma may be able to accept.

The Holocaust and slavery are “ideas”. How can you forgive an “idea”, even if you wanted to?

Semantics? Well, yeah. Words mean things. Forgive and forget are two VERY different things.

Are “peanut butter” and “jelly” the same things? They often go together, but are absolutely two very different “things” and you can’t “forgive” either one.


44 posted on 04/15/2019 8:04:55 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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