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Solar Panel Splits Water to Produce Hydrogen
ieee ^ | March 13, 2019 | Maria Gallucci

Posted on 03/16/2019 4:44:49 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

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To: Calvin Locke

Scenario 1
100 watts solar
20 watts electricity
2.5 watts equivalent H

Scenario 2
100 watts solar
15 watts equivalent H

Not quite an order of magnitude but close enough for government work.


61 posted on 03/16/2019 6:26:06 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (TRUMP TRAIN !!! Get the hell out of the way if you are not on yet because we don't stop for idiots)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

I made a calculation error.

https://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_btu_in_one_liter_of_hydrogen

One liter of hydrogen = 9.54 BTU

9.54 BTU x 250 liters/day = 2385 BTU/day

One liter of gasoline = 114,000 BTU

2385 BTU/day / 114,000 BTU/gallon of gasoline x 128 ounces/gallon = 2.677894736842099 ounces of gasoline

All that for less energy than three ounces of gasoline


63 posted on 03/16/2019 6:29:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Capitalism produces EVERYTHING Socialists/Communists/Democratic-Socialists wish to "redistribute.")
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Just throwing this out there...
dielectric field energy tesla
cold electricity tesla
64 posted on 03/16/2019 6:30:04 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It’s amazing that you can’t find your simple, and brilliant, analysis being taught in school or on the news.


65 posted on 03/16/2019 6:32:13 AM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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To: norwaypinesavage
Had not done the math. This could be the end of this tech. No interest in being on a solar grid. Same as the zero point energy harvesting. Not enough energy. Recheck your sources and math. Someone else recheck norways work. If he is right, write this off as this kind of tech:

Thanks norway.
66 posted on 03/16/2019 6:33:24 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (TRUMP TRAIN !!! Get the hell out of the way if you are not on yet because we don't stop for idiots)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Let’s see if I have this right....this a plan to harvest the most plentiful element in the universe and turn it into a buried IED next to my house. Is that pretty close?


67 posted on 03/16/2019 6:35:11 AM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

See 66.

Same goes to you as to norway. Thanks.


68 posted on 03/16/2019 6:36:15 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (TRUMP TRAIN !!! Get the hell out of the way if you are not on yet because we don't stop for idiots)
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To: jdsteel

I live by a gas pipeline. Anyway, see 66. This will not work.


69 posted on 03/16/2019 6:37:45 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (TRUMP TRAIN !!! Get the hell out of the way if you are not on yet because we don't stop for idiots)
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To: philman_36

re: “Just throwing this out there... “

No useful demos, to date, of such, um, (need a word here) hokum?


70 posted on 03/16/2019 6:41:14 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

There could be an issue between watts, and watt-hours. That would make me off by a factor of 24, assuming Wikipedia averages in time the sun is not shining. However, if you can also look at the rated hydrogen output of 240 liters per day. That’s about 2700 watt hours of energy per day per panel. That’s only 4 times as much.


71 posted on 03/16/2019 6:45:29 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I said liter of gasoline when I meant gallon.

https://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_btu_in_one_liter_of_hydrogen

One liter of hydrogen = 9.54 BTU

9.54 BTU x 250 liters/day = 2385 BTU/day

One gallon of gasoline = 114,000 BTU

2385 BTU/day / 114,000 BTU/gallon of gasoline x 128 ounces/gallon = 2.677894736842099 ounces of gasoline

All that for less energy than three ounces of gasoline


72 posted on 03/16/2019 6:47:27 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Capitalism produces EVERYTHING Socialists/Communists/Democratic-Socialists wish to "redistribute.")
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To: philman_36
"This is about taking moisture from the air and converting it to hydrogen. "

Using solar power. Hydrogen is an excellent fuel except that it can't be stored very easily. Compressed hydrogen has about 10 times the energy of an equal volume of gasoline, but it's also 1/10th the density. No real gain there.
73 posted on 03/16/2019 6:47:51 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: DanZ

“You mean like the FAKE NEWS MEDIA did some years back using a GM Pick-up.”

No, I mean the kinds I see on the evening news cast.


74 posted on 03/16/2019 6:48:51 AM PDT by odawg
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To: philman_36

Same mass, I mean, not volume. As a result, gasoline and compressed hydrogen will deliver about the same energy per volume.


75 posted on 03/16/2019 6:49:26 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Jumping in, there is one unmentioned factor.

Producing hydrogen with solar panels has a greater appeal and potential payoff in Belgium than say Texas. Belgium does in fact have sunlight but no oil or natural gas.


76 posted on 03/16/2019 6:57:02 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Honduras must be invaded to protect America from invasion)
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To: bert

If it cuts down costs, that’s fine. I’m just saying it can’t replace fossil fuel. Nuclear power is where we should go, especially fusion, but that’s another subject.


77 posted on 03/16/2019 7:04:02 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder

re: “Compressed hydrogen has about 10 times the energy of an equal volume of gasoline, but it’s also 1/10th the density. No real gain there. “

And - the Hydrino “reaction” for an equal mole amount releases about 200x the energy of gasoline ...


78 posted on 03/16/2019 7:04:17 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Just did some real world research. https://www.gogreensolar.com/products/30000-watt-30kw-solar-panel-ground-mount-installation-kit?s=recomatic

30 kW system takes about 2000 sq feet and would cost just south of $100K installed with no batteries. It throws your numbers into question.

15 watts per square foot at 20% efficiency would mean 75 watts solar energy per sq foot reaching the ground. About 800 watts per sq meter.


79 posted on 03/16/2019 7:06:05 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (TRUMP TRAIN !!! Get the hell out of the way if you are not on yet because we don't stop for idiots)
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To: _Jim
No useful demos, to date, of such, um, (need a word here) hokum?

From the obvious skepticism in your reply it seems to me that you wouldn't believe anything that I might bring back so why should I even bother?
If you choose not to look into the matter...fine! Don't!

Either way, I don't need your snide commentary.
You can drop the pretense right now.

80 posted on 03/16/2019 7:06:45 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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